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<blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 3912551" data-attributes="member: 15538"><p><em>1) First off, all of the furor about Warlord and why WOTC didn't listen to the public about how much the name is disliked and many a poll was started to come up with a new name. People didn’t seem to like the connotation Warlord for a 1st level character and also thought that it was too close to Warlock. But, if you take a look at the poll on the 4th edition info page, you will see that Warlord just slightly edges out all of the other choices, which means that a majority of your peers considers it an OK name. So why the fuss? It's just a metagame name.</em></p><p></p><p>Well, first of all, it only tied with Marshal. Considering that Warlord should have novelty going for it, and Marshal was not a particularly popular class, that should tell you something!</p><p></p><p>Second of all, it has all the wrong connotations (too much power, seems to describe a military hiearchy, associated with war crimes and banditry). For a metagame name, there is nothing more important than picking something that properly describes the concept you are trying to relate.</p><p></p><p><em>2) Why the fuss about Dragonborn as a race name? </em> </p><p></p><p>I didn't like Dragonborn, I didn't like Races of the Dragon, and I suspect the book was not a runaway seller. Thus, I suspect anyone who would name a race after them of being kind of clueless as to what most gamers think of as cool. Secondarily, they will be so different from the other Dragonborn, that any fans of the old Dragonborn will not be very gratified either. So you've thrown away most any hardcore fan you could think of. The people you have left are ones who simply don't care; you could name the race anything, and having "Dragon" in it is a plus for them. You could have called them Dragonkin, or Dragonets, or Erddragons, or anything.</p><p></p><p>Also, it's the name of a race that a lot of people suspect they are not going to like. No D&D setting to date that I am aware of has had a desert kingdom ruled by draconic creatures. </p><p></p><p><em>3) Golden Wyvern Adapt. </em> </p><p></p><p>Terrible name. First of all, it does not have "flavor." Flavor would imply you could say the name and have a sense of what it means. That is not the case. As a fluff name, it's terrible, since it ties some kind of order to a specify spellcasting feat. As a metagame name, it's terrible, because it ties the feat to a specific magical order. It would be like naming a Feat St. Cuthbert's Boon instead of Extra Smiting. </p><p></p><p>I suppose someone thought it would be "cooler" than a descriptive name. But it's not. It's harder to remember. And it doesn't even sound "cool" on its own terms. It sounds like something out of World of Synnibarr, or once of the less popular Shadowrun books.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pawsplay, post: 3912551, member: 15538"] [I]1) First off, all of the furor about Warlord and why WOTC didn't listen to the public about how much the name is disliked and many a poll was started to come up with a new name. People didn’t seem to like the connotation Warlord for a 1st level character and also thought that it was too close to Warlock. But, if you take a look at the poll on the 4th edition info page, you will see that Warlord just slightly edges out all of the other choices, which means that a majority of your peers considers it an OK name. So why the fuss? It's just a metagame name.[/I] Well, first of all, it only tied with Marshal. Considering that Warlord should have novelty going for it, and Marshal was not a particularly popular class, that should tell you something! Second of all, it has all the wrong connotations (too much power, seems to describe a military hiearchy, associated with war crimes and banditry). For a metagame name, there is nothing more important than picking something that properly describes the concept you are trying to relate. [I]2) Why the fuss about Dragonborn as a race name? [/I] I didn't like Dragonborn, I didn't like Races of the Dragon, and I suspect the book was not a runaway seller. Thus, I suspect anyone who would name a race after them of being kind of clueless as to what most gamers think of as cool. Secondarily, they will be so different from the other Dragonborn, that any fans of the old Dragonborn will not be very gratified either. So you've thrown away most any hardcore fan you could think of. The people you have left are ones who simply don't care; you could name the race anything, and having "Dragon" in it is a plus for them. You could have called them Dragonkin, or Dragonets, or Erddragons, or anything. Also, it's the name of a race that a lot of people suspect they are not going to like. No D&D setting to date that I am aware of has had a desert kingdom ruled by draconic creatures. [I]3) Golden Wyvern Adapt. [/I] Terrible name. First of all, it does not have "flavor." Flavor would imply you could say the name and have a sense of what it means. That is not the case. As a fluff name, it's terrible, since it ties some kind of order to a specify spellcasting feat. As a metagame name, it's terrible, because it ties the feat to a specific magical order. It would be like naming a Feat St. Cuthbert's Boon instead of Extra Smiting. I suppose someone thought it would be "cooler" than a descriptive name. But it's not. It's harder to remember. And it doesn't even sound "cool" on its own terms. It sounds like something out of World of Synnibarr, or once of the less popular Shadowrun books. [/QUOTE]
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