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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6468442" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>well it is as my English professor(2 years in a row and just getting ready for my final next Saturday) taught us last year (you would like her, she hates my misspellings too) there is a difference in denotation and connotation and the rich and full way our language works. You see you can with the same sentence say multi things (one short story she used as an example the title was 1 word that had 5 meanings and all were important to the 2 page story, and in that story 1 sentence had a triple meaning) the easies example she gave though was (and is very important here) Childish and Childlike. Both words have the same denotation, and can when used for just surface meaning be used interchangeably. </p><p></p><p> I think joe is very childlike. compared to: I think joe is very childish. The reason to use the different word at the end is to show connotation of weather you think it is a good thing or a bad thing. If you were not a native speaker though you may not pick up on that. Someone from south Africa could mean to convey that Joe has a child like sense of wonder, but choose childish and cause offense. </p><p></p><p>Bringing this back around "Video gamey" and "Kewl Powerz" are both not to subtle veiled insults to others play style... and you do cause offense using them. SO I will again ask you to please not be so insulting...</p><p></p><p>infact let me make it clear... "The words you use are insulting to me and others, you have the choice to use other words to get the same information across, please do."</p><p> as was pointed out, WoW (I'll be honest I don't play video games except with my 7 year old nephew so unless you want to talk skylanders I don't know a lot on the subject) is basically a online game that is heavily influenced by D&D, and most likely is one of many things that we can thank Dave and Gary for influencing. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> yea, because "Hey I want my players to take it now instead of 3 weeks or 2 months from now" is the same thing as that.. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /></p><p></p><p> well that is a strawman exaggeration of my point of view, I will at least except you are trying to see my side even if you have to pretend it is more extreme then it is...</p><p></p><p> </p><p>so just to try to help you, Not no restrictions or limitations, just "Only restrictions and limitations that can be explained and have a good reason to be there." See I do limit my players... on a campaign by campaign basies. The big arguments I have been having all stem from "I always say no XXX" and when I ask "Why" it is either "Because I say so" or less often "Reason XXX" that I disagree with. I might run a game with no "XXX" but if a player says "Can I play this" my answer is "Next time I will make a game for that, for now choose something else" </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> yea, again not my answer. I like Prestige Class and paragon paths because it is CHOICE... not both. </p><p></p><p> I love that again you put style in "" to show how you think it is not a valid one... </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>STRAWMAN?!?!?!!? STRAWMAN!!! I said blended... not both at the same time. In my mind a eldritch knight+wizard+bladesinger PC would still not have 9th level spells, but would be more a blend... again like my example mystic theurge up thread. </p><p></p><p>let me spell it out.</p><p></p><p>right now EK gets 4 attacks and 4th level spells... wizard gets 1 attack and 9th level spells. I want my PC to give 1 or two new special abilities and could end with say 3 attack and 6th level spells...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>yes ranger and paley are both more caster then EK (1/2 compaired to 1/3)</p><p></p><p> that again would cause us to wait...and wait and wait. </p><p></p><p>Prestige classes can drill in to niches more. Instead of saying "More powerful then base classes" you could say "Instead of base classes"</p><p></p><p>the balance of the system is that at level 10 you get a class power much better then you get at level 3. so if the class is designed to be taken at level 7 or 8, it's 2nd or 3rd power can equal a 10th level ability.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6468442, member: 67338"] well it is as my English professor(2 years in a row and just getting ready for my final next Saturday) taught us last year (you would like her, she hates my misspellings too) there is a difference in denotation and connotation and the rich and full way our language works. You see you can with the same sentence say multi things (one short story she used as an example the title was 1 word that had 5 meanings and all were important to the 2 page story, and in that story 1 sentence had a triple meaning) the easies example she gave though was (and is very important here) Childish and Childlike. Both words have the same denotation, and can when used for just surface meaning be used interchangeably. I think joe is very childlike. compared to: I think joe is very childish. The reason to use the different word at the end is to show connotation of weather you think it is a good thing or a bad thing. If you were not a native speaker though you may not pick up on that. Someone from south Africa could mean to convey that Joe has a child like sense of wonder, but choose childish and cause offense. Bringing this back around "Video gamey" and "Kewl Powerz" are both not to subtle veiled insults to others play style... and you do cause offense using them. SO I will again ask you to please not be so insulting... infact let me make it clear... "The words you use are insulting to me and others, you have the choice to use other words to get the same information across, please do." as was pointed out, WoW (I'll be honest I don't play video games except with my 7 year old nephew so unless you want to talk skylanders I don't know a lot on the subject) is basically a online game that is heavily influenced by D&D, and most likely is one of many things that we can thank Dave and Gary for influencing. yea, because "Hey I want my players to take it now instead of 3 weeks or 2 months from now" is the same thing as that.. :erm: well that is a strawman exaggeration of my point of view, I will at least except you are trying to see my side even if you have to pretend it is more extreme then it is... so just to try to help you, Not no restrictions or limitations, just "Only restrictions and limitations that can be explained and have a good reason to be there." See I do limit my players... on a campaign by campaign basies. The big arguments I have been having all stem from "I always say no XXX" and when I ask "Why" it is either "Because I say so" or less often "Reason XXX" that I disagree with. I might run a game with no "XXX" but if a player says "Can I play this" my answer is "Next time I will make a game for that, for now choose something else" yea, again not my answer. I like Prestige Class and paragon paths because it is CHOICE... not both. I love that again you put style in "" to show how you think it is not a valid one... STRAWMAN?!?!?!!? STRAWMAN!!! I said blended... not both at the same time. In my mind a eldritch knight+wizard+bladesinger PC would still not have 9th level spells, but would be more a blend... again like my example mystic theurge up thread. let me spell it out. right now EK gets 4 attacks and 4th level spells... wizard gets 1 attack and 9th level spells. I want my PC to give 1 or two new special abilities and could end with say 3 attack and 6th level spells... yes ranger and paley are both more caster then EK (1/2 compaired to 1/3) that again would cause us to wait...and wait and wait. Prestige classes can drill in to niches more. Instead of saying "More powerful then base classes" you could say "Instead of base classes" the balance of the system is that at level 10 you get a class power much better then you get at level 3. so if the class is designed to be taken at level 7 or 8, it's 2nd or 3rd power can equal a 10th level ability. [/QUOTE]
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