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<blockquote data-quote="Shadowdweller00" data-source="post: 8956334" data-attributes="member: 6778479">Unless there is some discernible sign of the character having been forced to make a save, then yeah, this is using metagame knowledge.&nbsp; HOWEVER, the situation is already one that might ellicit distrust from some people.&nbsp; It's not a circumstance in which I would tend to get on peoples' case as DM.&nbsp; Ideally the save is something that should have been handled privately; or by the DM in secret, after having asked to see that player's character sheet.Again, depends on how you &quot;witness&quot; the other character making a saving throw.&nbsp; The saving throw itself is not something that characters will realize is going on without a concrete effect.&nbsp; A character being visibly weak or acting drugged first however....might possibly justify the flawed character roleplaying out struggling with their willpower against consuming the fruit.&nbsp; And generally speaking, drugs and poisons in the real world are rarely rapid/instantaneous when ingested.Without a concrete, discernible effect - they should just eat it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shadowdweller00, post: 8956334, member: 6778479"] Unless there is some discernible sign of the character having been forced to make a save, then yeah, this is using metagame knowledge. HOWEVER, the situation is already one that might ellicit distrust from some people. It's not a circumstance in which I would tend to get on peoples' case as DM. Ideally the save is something that should have been handled privately; or by the DM in secret, after having asked to see that player's character sheet. Again, depends on how you "witness" the other character making a saving throw. The saving throw itself is not something that characters will realize is going on without a concrete effect. A character being visibly weak or acting drugged first however....might possibly justify the flawed character roleplaying out struggling with their willpower against consuming the fruit. And generally speaking, drugs and poisons in the real world are rarely rapid/instantaneous when ingested. Without a concrete, discernible effect - they should just eat it. [/QUOTE]

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