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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5925403" data-attributes="member: 87792">Your math is not grossly off. Your math is just ... selective. Although thank you for removing the slayer theme - you're the first person I've read to defend the fighter who has actually done this.&nbsp;The fighter is a strength 16 guy wielding a two handed axe. Certianly two handed). The cleric of Moradin is a strength 14 guy wielding a one handed hammer and carrying a large shield (which is why his AC is three points higher).&nbsp;The fighter therefore should do more damage because he is stronger and wielding a two handed weapon against a sword and board wielder. The cleric, of course has three more points of AC.&nbsp;Let's match their weapons up. Give the fighter a warhammer and board instead. He attacks at +6 (we think - no one can figure that out) doing 1d10+5 damage. The cleric meanwhile we move to strength 16, wis 14. A wisdom of 14 is enough to be a viable if not outstanding cleric.&nbsp;And now we only give the cleric the long lasting buff. Crusader's Strike. Which lasts long enough you can pre-buff with it and then cut through a lot of enemies, not giving them a chance to recover or organise.&nbsp;At this point the fighter is attacking at +6 and doing 1d10+5 damage with his warhammer.While buffed, the cleric is attacking at +5 and doing 1d10+1d6+3 damage.&nbsp;+1 to hit (and that unexplained) vs 1.5 damage. At expected AC that's a faint advantage to the cleric.&nbsp;Match up the weapons and the strength scores and the fighter's entire damage advantage goes down the pan. While the cleric remains a cleric, able to cast spells and do things the fighter simply can't.&nbsp;We've already done the math.&nbsp; And the fighter only appears to be ahead by things that aren't fighter-specific (strength and wielding a 2 handed weapon).&nbsp;Edit: [MENTION=1]Morrus[/MENTION], thank you.&nbsp; I was about to report the post for edition warring.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5925403, member: 87792"] Your math is not grossly off. Your math is just ... selective. Although thank you for removing the slayer theme - you're the first person I've read to defend the fighter who has actually done this. The fighter is a strength 16 guy wielding a two handed axe. Certianly two handed). The cleric of Moradin is a strength 14 guy wielding a one handed hammer and carrying a large shield (which is why his AC is three points higher). The fighter therefore should do more damage because he is stronger and wielding a two handed weapon against a sword and board wielder. The cleric, of course has three more points of AC. Let's match their weapons up. Give the fighter a warhammer and board instead. He attacks at +6 (we think - no one can figure that out) doing 1d10+5 damage. The cleric meanwhile we move to strength 16, wis 14. A wisdom of 14 is enough to be a viable if not outstanding cleric. And now we only give the cleric the long lasting buff. Crusader's Strike. Which lasts long enough you can pre-buff with it and then cut through a lot of enemies, not giving them a chance to recover or organise. At this point the fighter is attacking at +6 and doing 1d10+5 damage with his warhammer. While buffed, the cleric is attacking at +5 and doing 1d10+1d6+3 damage. +1 to hit (and that unexplained) vs 1.5 damage. At expected AC that's a faint advantage to the cleric. Match up the weapons and the strength scores and the fighter's entire damage advantage goes down the pan. While the cleric remains a cleric, able to cast spells and do things the fighter simply can't. [B]We've already done the math.[/B] And the fighter only appears to be ahead by things that aren't fighter-specific (strength and wielding a 2 handed weapon). Edit: [MENTION=1]Morrus[/MENTION], thank you. I was about to report the post for edition warring. [/QUOTE]

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