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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6238418" data-attributes="member: 6669384">Odd.&nbsp; The PHB and my copy of the SRD say that it will take on the Intelligence of the new form, and that if it currently lacks a Charisma or Wisdom score it will gain those as appropriate to the new form as well.As far as physical stats are concerned, it says that it works like Polymorph, meaning that it will have typical physical stats for the new creature.&nbsp; No mention of a 5 that I can see.&nbsp; Now if I wanted to argue that I can take pieces of a creature, turn it into the whole thing, and create new souls in the process, most DM's would cast their full vote for a Dispel BS on that whole idea.&nbsp; Mortals, no matter how skilled or clever, shouldn't be able to create souls.&nbsp; Someone suggested that a dead creature is no longer in the same general category (Animal/Vegetable/Mineral) as the living one.&nbsp; If I, as a player, tried to argue in favor of that because it gave me an advantage, would anyone here agree with me, or is that another Dispel BS&nbsp; ?In fairness, I think that most people would classify a T-Bone steak as being in the Animal kingdom, just as the cow it came from was.Would the reformed Efreet be the same &quot;person&quot; as the old?&nbsp; That's a real good point.&nbsp; If I tried that on an Adventurer, I could easily see someone saying, &quot;Well, it's a person, same race as your dead friend, even looks like him, but all the spell does is give the race, not the levels.&quot;Trying to use any version of Polymorph to create a leveled character should be a no-go, no matter what you started with as raw material.Whether the new creature would retain any memories at all would be strictly up to the DM.&nbsp; I imagine that most would allow them language and enough memory to be a &quot;person&quot;, rather than acting like a newborn, but more than that would come under the &quot;at and for the DM's convenience&quot;.&nbsp; As in, &quot;Plot device&quot;.So thanks.&nbsp; Good points, and good ways to prevent abuse of the spell without seeming vindictive or adversarial.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6238418, member: 6669384"] Odd. The PHB and my copy of the SRD say that it will take on the Intelligence of the new form, and that if it currently lacks a Charisma or Wisdom score it will gain those as appropriate to the new form as well. As far as physical stats are concerned, it says that it works like [I]Polymorph[/I], meaning that it will have typical physical stats for the new creature. No mention of a 5 that I can see. Now if I wanted to argue that I can take pieces of a creature, turn it into the whole thing, and create new souls in the process, most DM's would cast their full vote for a [I]Dispel BS[/I] on that whole idea. Mortals, no matter how skilled or clever, shouldn't be able to create souls. Someone suggested that a dead creature is no longer in the same general category (Animal/Vegetable/Mineral) as the living one. If I, as a player, tried to argue in favor of that because it gave me an advantage, would anyone here agree with me, or is that another [I]Dispel BS[/I] ? In fairness, I think that most people would classify a T-Bone steak as being in the Animal kingdom, just as the cow it came from was. Would the reformed Efreet be the same "person" as the old? That's a real good point. If I tried that on an Adventurer, I could easily see someone saying, "Well, it's a person, same race as your dead friend, even looks like him, but all the spell does is give the race, not the levels." Trying to use any version of [I]Polymorph[/I] to create a leveled character should be a no-go, no matter what you started with as raw material. Whether the new creature would retain any memories at all would be strictly up to the DM. I imagine that most would allow them language and enough memory to be a "person", rather than acting like a newborn, but more than that would come under the "at and for the DM's convenience". As in, "Plot device". So thanks. Good points, and good ways to prevent abuse of the spell without seeming vindictive or adversarial. [/QUOTE]

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