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<blockquote data-quote="MrGrenadine" data-source="post: 5593550" data-attributes="member: 62619">Just wondering, but when will criticisms of 4e stop being referred to as &quot;whining&quot; or &quot;gnashing of teeth&quot; or whatever?Because this would be a much more interested thread if people didn't come off as so emotionally invested in squashing any dissent in their own beliefs and opinions.Back on topic, saying new players should just pick up an HoF* as a starting point is all well and good, but I would be amazed if any potential player, looking at a wall of 4e books at their local comic or game shop, would know to do that.&nbsp; Its just not clear.And as for compatibility, yes, there are terrific synergies between some Pre-E and E features, but there are also combinations of classes/races/PPs/powers, etc that just don't work, and even DDi doesn't help navigate the hundreds of thousands of possible combinations.&nbsp; So while I'm sure some home games are working with both types of players, its been my experience is that it takes some effort to make sure it works--and for what its worth, this was not always the case in D&amp;D.&nbsp; Again, as the ruleset matures, this will be less of an issue, and I look forward to that more elegant version.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MrGrenadine, post: 5593550, member: 62619"] Just wondering, but when will criticisms of 4e stop being referred to as "whining" or "gnashing of teeth" or whatever? Because this would be a much more interested thread if people didn't come off as so emotionally invested in squashing any dissent in their own beliefs and opinions. Back on topic, saying new players should just pick up an HoF* as a starting point is all well and good, but I would be amazed if any potential player, looking at a wall of 4e books at their local comic or game shop, would know to do that. Its just not clear. And as for compatibility, yes, there are terrific synergies between some Pre-E and E features, but there are also combinations of classes/races/PPs/powers, etc that just don't work, and even DDi doesn't help navigate the hundreds of thousands of possible combinations. So while I'm sure some home games are working with both types of players, its been my experience is that it takes some effort to make sure it works--and for what its worth, this was not always the case in D&D. Again, as the ruleset matures, this will be less of an issue, and I look forward to that more elegant version. [/QUOTE]

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