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<blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 5597675" data-attributes="member: 11821"><p>There doesn't need to be a compatibility issue for people to have preferences one way or the other. Simply liking or not-liking it is enough; running an E-only game has a different feel than a PHB1-only game, and in turn a different feel from a Kitchen Sink game.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I can honestly say that I haven't. I can't even imagine what sorts of adjustments I'd need to make. That's why folks are looking for concrete examples.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Usually, errata is made for one main reason: Something new interacts with something old in an unexpected way that makes it overpowered or underpowered. So, for example, a change was made to saving throws as of PHB2 in order to make sure the Warden couldn't be penalized for making a start-of-turn saving throw. A change was made to the various ingredients of the Feycharger because they interacted in an unexpectedly overpowered way. Melee Training fits in with this general theme that's been around since the dawn of 4e.</p><p></p><p>If you want to consider that "Essentials incompatibility," that's your prerogative, I suppose, but changing old stuff to accommodate for new is neither unprecedented nor unexpected in 4e. The Heroes Of... books are no exceptions here. (In fact, I think it's remarkable that Melee Training was the only really broken bit deserving of a nerf.) Maybe I should start talking about "PHB2 incompatibility" now. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>-O</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Obryn, post: 5597675, member: 11821"] There doesn't need to be a compatibility issue for people to have preferences one way or the other. Simply liking or not-liking it is enough; running an E-only game has a different feel than a PHB1-only game, and in turn a different feel from a Kitchen Sink game. I can honestly say that I haven't. I can't even imagine what sorts of adjustments I'd need to make. That's why folks are looking for concrete examples. Usually, errata is made for one main reason: Something new interacts with something old in an unexpected way that makes it overpowered or underpowered. So, for example, a change was made to saving throws as of PHB2 in order to make sure the Warden couldn't be penalized for making a start-of-turn saving throw. A change was made to the various ingredients of the Feycharger because they interacted in an unexpectedly overpowered way. Melee Training fits in with this general theme that's been around since the dawn of 4e. If you want to consider that "Essentials incompatibility," that's your prerogative, I suppose, but changing old stuff to accommodate for new is neither unprecedented nor unexpected in 4e. The Heroes Of... books are no exceptions here. (In fact, I think it's remarkable that Melee Training was the only really broken bit deserving of a nerf.) Maybe I should start talking about "PHB2 incompatibility" now. :) -O [/QUOTE]
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