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<blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5598381" data-attributes="member: 61155"><p>Sigh. It's not 'rewriting history'. It's adding new features. If you don't touch Essentials, no one is going to show up at your game and yell at you for not calling your PHB fighter a "weaponmaster". </p><p> </p><p>Previous, there was a fighter class, and it had several builds. Now, there are some variant builds that are a bit more distinct, and they have relabelled certain builds to try and keep them clearer. They may or may not have been successful in this, but at no point have they tried to pretend that they are revising the history of the edition in any way. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>WotC's claim was that you can go ahead and keep playing your 4E game without Essentials. And you can, just like you could do so with the PHB2, PHB3, Dark Sun, etc. </p><p> </p><p>What they did not claim was, "It is safe to ignore Essentials and still be fully informed when commenting on it in discussion threads." That seems to be the heart of your objection here, and that is all sorts of silly. Of course you aren't going to be able to have an informed discussion about Essentials material if you aren't familiar with it. </p><p> </p><p>Does that really have a negative impact on your actual home game? </p><p> </p><p>That's what folks have repeatedly asked you about - have you any genuine examples of difficulties caused, in your game, by Essentials. And that is a very different thing from being able to participate in a discussion about the game. </p><p> </p><p>As it is, there are plenty of threads that you can indeed still join in discussion in. And, yes, there will be others where you have less to contribute - just like, when PHB3 and Psionic Power were the most recent products, players without them would have little to offer in those threads. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Again - the only distinctions cropping up are ones you are making. Yes, you can treat Essentials as something different, just like you could have done so with PHB3. It doesn't change the fact that if discussing 4E as a whole, it - unsurprisingly - includes all content released for 4E. </p><p> </p><p>You can still discuss your 'classic 4E', however you might define it. Others can discuss their 'core only' games with just the PHB, MM, and DMG. And others will have their 'Essentials only' campaigns as well. All of these are valid options - but trying to pretend that one is a more legitimate form than another, or that WotC has a responsibility to isolate them and treat them as different experiences, rather than supporting the game as a whole, is simply an unreasonable expectation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MrMyth, post: 5598381, member: 61155"] Sigh. It's not 'rewriting history'. It's adding new features. If you don't touch Essentials, no one is going to show up at your game and yell at you for not calling your PHB fighter a "weaponmaster". Previous, there was a fighter class, and it had several builds. Now, there are some variant builds that are a bit more distinct, and they have relabelled certain builds to try and keep them clearer. They may or may not have been successful in this, but at no point have they tried to pretend that they are revising the history of the edition in any way. WotC's claim was that you can go ahead and keep playing your 4E game without Essentials. And you can, just like you could do so with the PHB2, PHB3, Dark Sun, etc. What they did not claim was, "It is safe to ignore Essentials and still be fully informed when commenting on it in discussion threads." That seems to be the heart of your objection here, and that is all sorts of silly. Of course you aren't going to be able to have an informed discussion about Essentials material if you aren't familiar with it. Does that really have a negative impact on your actual home game? That's what folks have repeatedly asked you about - have you any genuine examples of difficulties caused, in your game, by Essentials. And that is a very different thing from being able to participate in a discussion about the game. As it is, there are plenty of threads that you can indeed still join in discussion in. And, yes, there will be others where you have less to contribute - just like, when PHB3 and Psionic Power were the most recent products, players without them would have little to offer in those threads. Again - the only distinctions cropping up are ones you are making. Yes, you can treat Essentials as something different, just like you could have done so with PHB3. It doesn't change the fact that if discussing 4E as a whole, it - unsurprisingly - includes all content released for 4E. You can still discuss your 'classic 4E', however you might define it. Others can discuss their 'core only' games with just the PHB, MM, and DMG. And others will have their 'Essentials only' campaigns as well. All of these are valid options - but trying to pretend that one is a more legitimate form than another, or that WotC has a responsibility to isolate them and treat them as different experiences, rather than supporting the game as a whole, is simply an unreasonable expectation. [/QUOTE]
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