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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7892223" data-attributes="member: 6801845"><p>Sorry, but I'm not following. In D&D 5E there is no way to give yourself advantage using magic other than True Strike which requires an action. It's not a good exchange. In some other system or hypothetical setting it may matter. But who says that straight fighters aren't using magic to supplement their fighting ability without explicitly casting spells?</p><p></p><p>I argued back in the 4E days that fighters were intrinsically using magic even though their powers were labelled "martial". That kind of sounds like what you're talking about, being able to bend reality to enhance your fighting ability without explicitly casting a spell. But it doesn't work like that in 5E.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why not? If the mage fighter is concentrating on a buff spell they're at disadvantage on their concentration checkds. The first time they cast a spell during a round the mage slayer gets a free attack. If they aren't buffing or casting spells, they have no intrinsic benefit.</p><p></p><p>Again, if you're talking about some system other than D&D it may matter. Then again, you may or may not have the equivalent to the mage slayer feat. If there's some option to do what you're talking about I've missed let me know. But I'm discussing fighters vs spell casters as defined by D&D 5E rules.</p><p></p><p>In general a person focused on one specific skill will be better at that skill than someone who did not specifically focus if all other factors are the same. Assuming that we're talking spell casting as defined in 5E let's say you separated identical twins at birth. Give them similar upbringing, amount of time spent in training and so on. Have one split their time between swordsmanship and magic. Have the other focus on just swordsmanship. IMHO the latter will be a better swordsman because they haven't divided their training between two unconnected disciplines. </p><p></p><p>Whether they are better in any specific fight depends on many other factors.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7892223, member: 6801845"] Sorry, but I'm not following. In D&D 5E there is no way to give yourself advantage using magic other than True Strike which requires an action. It's not a good exchange. In some other system or hypothetical setting it may matter. But who says that straight fighters aren't using magic to supplement their fighting ability without explicitly casting spells? I argued back in the 4E days that fighters were intrinsically using magic even though their powers were labelled "martial". That kind of sounds like what you're talking about, being able to bend reality to enhance your fighting ability without explicitly casting a spell. But it doesn't work like that in 5E. Why not? If the mage fighter is concentrating on a buff spell they're at disadvantage on their concentration checkds. The first time they cast a spell during a round the mage slayer gets a free attack. If they aren't buffing or casting spells, they have no intrinsic benefit. Again, if you're talking about some system other than D&D it may matter. Then again, you may or may not have the equivalent to the mage slayer feat. If there's some option to do what you're talking about I've missed let me know. But I'm discussing fighters vs spell casters as defined by D&D 5E rules. In general a person focused on one specific skill will be better at that skill than someone who did not specifically focus if all other factors are the same. Assuming that we're talking spell casting as defined in 5E let's say you separated identical twins at birth. Give them similar upbringing, amount of time spent in training and so on. Have one split their time between swordsmanship and magic. Have the other focus on just swordsmanship. IMHO the latter will be a better swordsman because they haven't divided their training between two unconnected disciplines. Whether they are better in any specific fight depends on many other factors. [/QUOTE]
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