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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7892487" data-attributes="member: 82504">The general presumption of D&D is that you do not start at high level which is as  you point out far from obligator. IE sure that is A solution if you start in epic tier, the greatest swordsman alive has pretty solid foundations mechanically and such a character is likely to interact with other heros of extraordinary scale however see the following.A reason to do FATE or the like is that you can arguably have someone very meek say a player with a hobbit and his squire and 3 of the worlds most noticeable heroes standing alongside each other and the meekness will bring the hobbits huge story clout rather naturally and nobody expects anything different the hobbit spends a few points and decimates entire towers worth of goblins by turning them against each other (for instance) .OK you got me listening.Yes so a lot of the baggage is nicely tuned for teamwork or somewhat tuned. And best swordsman alive you expect the character to be beaten by other things but I think kind of needs a periodic series of call outs so he can reinforce this sense of best ness. Not entirely the same but It's related to why minions (and swarms) are a great concept.Inigo also has ridiculous hit points LOL but I definitely agree you expect other challenges to be how the character is pulled through the story. Like finding your father's killer become exploration and detective work and so on... Eventually the story gives him his climactic expression of his gift, but it's not the feature of much of the story or its conflicts.See Amber Diceless Roleplay introduction to awesome characters where sometimes making the adversary think they are better is the most useful thing and even conflicts were a process of discovery.hmmmm well concepts some times are built with different legos.As far as duration and amount of story maybe yes.... (hard to come up with good story for superman)However I think that without the progression of that D&D sort you get well I hesitate to say it because it implies you cannot do it otherwise (and that isn't right) . OK I will say it consequences be damned you get different forms of character growth instead of power pumping AND these other games may actually express those better.  It's not exclusive but it seems people think about how the experiences the character has are actually changing the character and their motivations more when there isn't this visible progress bar over their heads. Now I feel bad.</blockquote>

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