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<blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 3669164" data-attributes="member: 13966">Not really like a surprise round.&nbsp; You only get a partial action in a surprise round, don't you?&nbsp; And you don't get +2 on attack rolls in the surprise round.&nbsp; With stunning, you get a full round of actions against them (or at least your allies do, depending on how long the stunning lasts), with +2 on attack rolls, and the target drops anything they're holding, and they just stand there like a boxing bag.&nbsp; A boxing bag of meat. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid&nbsp; &nbsp; :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" />&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh&nbsp; &nbsp; :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /> I agree regarding the shapechanging spells, though.&nbsp; Even WotC can't be bothered to go to the effort of describing them clearly and determining some rules for what can be shapechanged into and what can't, and what abilities are gained from it and what aren't.&nbsp; They'd rather we all just forget those spells exist in the game and stop bugging them about those already. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Arkhandus, post: 3669164, member: 13966"] Not really like a surprise round. You only get a partial action in a surprise round, don't you? And you don't get +2 on attack rolls in the surprise round. With stunning, you get a full round of actions against them (or at least your allies do, depending on how long the stunning lasts), with +2 on attack rolls, and the target drops anything they're holding, and they just stand there like a boxing bag. A boxing bag of meat. :uhoh: :heh: I agree regarding the shapechanging spells, though. Even WotC can't be bothered to go to the effort of describing them clearly and determining some rules for what can be shapechanged into and what can't, and what abilities are gained from it and what aren't. They'd rather we all just forget those spells exist in the game and stop bugging them about those already. :p [/QUOTE]

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