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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4378111" data-attributes="member: 35909">Or, they could have retained that by being spells.If you had any business using a weapon in 3E, crits did hurt, quite a bit in fact.  And you're supposed to roll more dice, not just multiply one set of rolls, so the oddds of doing minimum damage were very low.Don't you know that's just an illusion?  It's all crafted so the same to hit odds remain at any level, so your "Armor Class" is really just window dressing now.I agree with your last statement, but you're not understnading something.  Wizards got neutered, but every other class got neutered without anasthesia.  Wizards are the only class that can really just rely on one or two stats.  And in a game where the opposing modifiers are always so close, every extra +1 counts so darn much.  I can never even play a Fighter or Paladin again.  The stat spread means I'm going to have a 16 in any stat I use to attack, which just isn't enough any more.  Fighters can no longer have an easy time hitting, Rogues no longer can auto-win a skill check.  wizards still will retain the best attack bonus generally, and have the most versatility in targeting different defenses, so they're still probably the best class, if only because everyone else lost more stuff.That and the lack of easy multiclassing do, yeah.Some crappy healing, mainly.  Real question is what a Warlord brings to the table that an extra Cleric wouldn't.  Also, heresy!  Everyone should miss the monk, and cry tears of agony until there is one, at which point, we shall cry tears of joy!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />See, I too like how Warhammer Fantasy has High, Wood, and Dark Elves, so I didn't mind this.  Dragonborn are a lame concept and Eladrin do have lame stats, though.Tell me about it!  I thought they had to be level 3!  And their melee attack bonuses were higher than the party Fighter's BEFORE the flanking craziness!  And those massive sacks of hit points just make lame powers like Reaping Strike seem even more useless.  "I dealt a whole two damage on my miss?  Wow, so much help over a basic attack!  Hear that guys?  I just took out 1/12 of his health!"If it played like a video game, I'd like it, as I've been playing video games far longer than D&D.  Unless you mean it plays like an MMO, in which case, it'd be explained why I find it so agonizing.Amen to that.  I think putting this feeling into descriptive text so that others understand what we mean will be by far the most annoying part of criticizing 4E.  I think I'll have to keep an essay on reserve to handle such things, cause it's getting really irritating posting such things so much.I see far more "I played 4E for the first time and liked it" threads than ones who come away feeling worse about it and posting.  Do you crap on those threads, too?  Or just the ones that present views you disagree with?Dude!  Just...dude!</blockquote>

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