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Message: <blockquote data-quote="phloog" data-source="post: 4379540" data-attributes="member: 59219">Why is saying it plays like a videogame 'insulting to pnp fans' - - it feels to me like a situation where people are choosing to be insulted.  Many people feel that it plays this way to varying degrees, including people who love this new edition. As far as turning it into "edition wars", I guess I'm not sure how the line is drawn.  I do realize that as I write this there is a huge banner announcing that the 'wait is over' and 4e is available, so I can understand some issues the moderators might have with threads that might turn people off to 4e, but this seems to be quite a civil thread, and again I think that very often people choose to make something a war.  By focusing on the 'positive aspects' of GAMING, did you in fact mean exactly what you said, or that we should only focus on positive aspects of 4E? I guess if people are really tired of addressing the same points with the same retorts, they could just ignore these threads and let them die.  I'm not sure why someone not liking 4e and saying why is supposed to be taken as an insult to anyone. I think there are some very specific points listed - ignoring those and using the term 'rote' is a lot more insulting, as it speaks to the intent and intelligence of the poster, unlike 'videogamey' which speaks to the rules of the game.  'Rote' implies that it is based on memorization and not true understanding.  I would ask how many play sessions, or how many years or campaigns, must one undertake before they become 'qualified' to state that the game plays a bit more like a videogame than earlier editions? I would also suggest that if there are instances where it begins to sound like people have memorized a complaint, it may be a sign that the complaint is in fact VALID.  I can't tell you how many times people have warned me not to eat raw chicken, and I'm frankly tired of their rote complaints about the issues with doing so.</blockquote>

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