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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4379790" data-attributes="member: 48965">Yet, my problem is that 4e doesn't have any distinction between those things (see my example above).&nbsp; Sure Strike vs. Power Attack should both be either feats or powers yet one is a power and one is a feat.&nbsp; So you can train anyone to hit exceptionally hard...but only fighters can train to be accurate (even though they are defenders and not strikers).&nbsp; You seem to be arguing that 3e had some disconnects... so it's okay if 4e has even more.I'm sorry but almost any fantasy novel, movie, etc. has limitations on magic.&nbsp; Now whether D&amp;D mimics a particular type of literary magic (which vancian actually is) or doesn't is neither here nor there.&nbsp;&nbsp; But previous editions did limit magic just as fantasy media tends to.As far as the spell casters being &quot;artillery units with limited ammunition&quot;... Which one is it?&nbsp; Are they just artillery... or are they the end all and be all of versatility as some claim?&nbsp; IMHO, the 4e spell caster is much closer to what you describe than any before it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 4379790, member: 48965"] Yet, my problem is that 4e doesn't have any distinction between those things (see my example above). Sure Strike vs. Power Attack should both be either feats or powers yet one is a power and one is a feat. So you can train anyone to hit exceptionally hard...but only fighters can train to be accurate (even though they are defenders and not strikers). You seem to be arguing that 3e had some disconnects... so it's okay if 4e has even more. I'm sorry but almost any fantasy novel, movie, etc. has limitations on magic. Now whether D&D mimics a particular type of literary magic (which vancian actually is) or doesn't is neither here nor there. But previous editions did limit magic just as fantasy media tends to. As far as the spell casters being "artillery units with limited ammunition"... Which one is it? Are they just artillery... or are they the end all and be all of versatility as some claim? IMHO, the 4e spell caster is much closer to what you describe than any before it. [/QUOTE]

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