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<blockquote data-quote="Tervin" data-source="post: 4379793" data-attributes="member: 66491">I am a D&amp;D fan. Have been for over 25 years, and have enjoyed many a session of every edition from AD&amp;D and onwards. I am also a fan of deep immersive roleplaying. Have been doing that for the last 20 years or so. As an old RPG fan I have read the rules of more than 50 RP systems written from the seventies onwards, and tested about 20 of them in play, give or take a few. I am not saying that this makes me an expert, but it makes me feel that I have a decently well founded opinion.My opinion is that D&amp;D 4E is not a system that is built for in depth roleplaying. Neither is any earlier D&amp;D version. 3.x did try to allow for a more in depth game, and it clearly was better suited for it than the earlier editions. Still it cannot stand up to games with a clear focus on that style of roleplaying. And 4E does not try hard to improve on 3.x in that respect. In some ways it might be better for in depth RP, in other ways it might be worse. My personal feel is that the designers decided that the in depth niche is not what D&amp;D is about, as the 3.x attempt failed at it. I am not saying you can't play D&amp;D for in depth RP. I have done that quite a bit myself, and written and run stories like that on conventions. After all, roleplaying is about imagination, not system. And to me the gamist bits of the rules are not too hard for my imagination to handle - just like they weren't before either.I feel that D&amp;D 4E is made with a clear focus on light casual roleplaying with quite a bit of action, but keeping the door open for people who want to do other things. As I think D&amp;D was at its core always that kind of game, I think this was a good decision.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tervin, post: 4379793, member: 66491"] I am a D&D fan. Have been for over 25 years, and have enjoyed many a session of every edition from AD&D and onwards. I am also a fan of deep immersive roleplaying. Have been doing that for the last 20 years or so. As an old RPG fan I have read the rules of more than 50 RP systems written from the seventies onwards, and tested about 20 of them in play, give or take a few. I am not saying that this makes me an expert, but it makes me feel that I have a decently well founded opinion. My opinion is that D&D 4E is not a system that is built for in depth roleplaying. Neither is any earlier D&D version. 3.x did try to allow for a more in depth game, and it clearly was better suited for it than the earlier editions. Still it cannot stand up to games with a clear focus on that style of roleplaying. And 4E does not try hard to improve on 3.x in that respect. In some ways it might be better for in depth RP, in other ways it might be worse. My personal feel is that the designers decided that the in depth niche is not what D&D is about, as the 3.x attempt failed at it. I am not saying you can't play D&D for in depth RP. I have done that quite a bit myself, and written and run stories like that on conventions. After all, roleplaying is about imagination, not system. And to me the gamist bits of the rules are not too hard for my imagination to handle - just like they weren't before either. I feel that D&D 4E is made with a clear focus on light casual roleplaying with quite a bit of action, but keeping the door open for people who want to do other things. As I think D&D was at its core always that kind of game, I think this was a good decision. [/QUOTE]

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