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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fenes" data-source="post: 4381930" data-attributes="member: 604">That is telling me enough about you. If you consider the 3rd party products as having no bearing on 3E, then any further discussion is useless. The system incorporates such products.I am using a 2E mindset, actually.On the contrary. It offers enough, and is flexible enough to be completely run with rp exp. I haven't bothered with "encounters per level" even before we started with our very first 3E campaign, back when it was just coming out and we didn't even have the DMG yet.The fluff of 4E looks very bland and stupid to me, limiting and cheap. I'd bother with examples (which are obvious for anyone who has read a bit of the backgrounds) if it was not pointless and I'd not ignore you after this post anyway.</blockquote>