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<blockquote data-quote="Vigilance" data-source="post: 2853071" data-attributes="member: 4275"><p>I see this a lot. Wolverine ASSUMES Cyke is dead. But we never see a body. By the rules of comics and comic films, Cyke is not dead. Even when you DO see the body, the character often isn't dead, but "death" with no body isn't death. </p><p></p><p>Jean died without her body being found at the end of X-2 and Xavier blew up on screen. Neither is dead. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree they had the potential for a real fanboy moment, but A) in the movies they are not the classic five, the first generation of movie mutants seems to be Cyke, Jean, Beast and Storm (the action team from movie #1).</p><p></p><p>Also, during the movie the characters are on much different courses (especially Jean). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Feel free to label this character assassination, but everything in the movie is straight from comics canon as laid down by Claremont.</p><p></p><p>In the comics, when Xavier recruits Jean (in a side story told long ago by Claremont not many have read- it appeared as one of the backup stories in the reprints), Jean had absorbed her best friend's mind as she lay dying after being hit by a car.</p><p></p><p>Her mind was fractured and her telepathy had surfaced much too early and in an out of control fashion because of this trauma.</p><p></p><p>Xavier repressed this awful memory and experience, along with her telepathy, to give her a chance to heal.</p><p></p><p>Then later when Phoenix emerged and was a danger, Xavier again went in and but barriers in Jeans's mind to repress the dangerous side of her power.</p><p></p><p>You can call it "character assassination", but the story in the movie is 100% consistent with what has been laid down in the comics.</p><p></p><p>Two options: A) The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Xavier is trying to do the right thing but ends up making a bad situation worse (this is the majority view of his actions wrt Jean/Phoenix in the comics).</p><p></p><p>B) Xavier isn't that different from Magneto and is willing to abuse his power in keeping with his own worldview.</p><p></p><p>Either way, there was no assassination going on. Xavier just isn't the fluffy bunny a lot of people perceive him to be.</p><p></p><p>Chuck</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vigilance, post: 2853071, member: 4275"] I see this a lot. Wolverine ASSUMES Cyke is dead. But we never see a body. By the rules of comics and comic films, Cyke is not dead. Even when you DO see the body, the character often isn't dead, but "death" with no body isn't death. Jean died without her body being found at the end of X-2 and Xavier blew up on screen. Neither is dead. I agree they had the potential for a real fanboy moment, but A) in the movies they are not the classic five, the first generation of movie mutants seems to be Cyke, Jean, Beast and Storm (the action team from movie #1). Also, during the movie the characters are on much different courses (especially Jean). Feel free to label this character assassination, but everything in the movie is straight from comics canon as laid down by Claremont. In the comics, when Xavier recruits Jean (in a side story told long ago by Claremont not many have read- it appeared as one of the backup stories in the reprints), Jean had absorbed her best friend's mind as she lay dying after being hit by a car. Her mind was fractured and her telepathy had surfaced much too early and in an out of control fashion because of this trauma. Xavier repressed this awful memory and experience, along with her telepathy, to give her a chance to heal. Then later when Phoenix emerged and was a danger, Xavier again went in and but barriers in Jeans's mind to repress the dangerous side of her power. You can call it "character assassination", but the story in the movie is 100% consistent with what has been laid down in the comics. Two options: A) The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Xavier is trying to do the right thing but ends up making a bad situation worse (this is the majority view of his actions wrt Jean/Phoenix in the comics). B) Xavier isn't that different from Magneto and is willing to abuse his power in keeping with his own worldview. Either way, there was no assassination going on. Xavier just isn't the fluffy bunny a lot of people perceive him to be. Chuck [/QUOTE]
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