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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6465527" data-attributes="member: 6669384">No, not in any world that includes Druids.&nbsp; And yes, Divine spell castters dedicated to an ideal rather than a deity would be outside the ban.&nbsp; So, for that matter, would Demons.The phrase &quot;through neither agent nor agency&quot; would cover advice from a cleric, even if it wasn't divinely inspired.&nbsp; The Cleric of any deity, even a dark one, is their agent, and the church hierarchy is their &quot;agency&quot;.&nbsp; The wording was designed to be so broadly inclusive that even an Angel might trust a Devil not to have some way around it.&nbsp; The character would have to get things like magical healing via someone like a Bard, or a Paladin or Cleric of a principle or ideal, or would have to buy potions and whatnot from someone other than a Cleric.&nbsp; Same for any other divine spells, and things like Augry and Commune. which contact a deific power directly would probably fail even for them.Now, if someone threw a Bless or Prayer spell, and he happened to be in the area, it would probably slip by, since the caster doesn't actually have direct control over which allies in range get the benefit.But leaving the crunchy bits aside, just the idea of such a character is intriguing.&nbsp; Like I said, he sounds like he ought to be the main protagonist in a fantasy tale.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6465527, member: 6669384"] No, not in any world that includes Druids. And yes, Divine spell castters dedicated to an ideal rather than a deity would be outside the ban. So, for that matter, would Demons. The phrase "through neither agent nor agency" would cover advice from a cleric, even if it wasn't divinely inspired. The Cleric of any deity, even a dark one, is their agent, and the church hierarchy is their "agency". The wording was designed to be so broadly inclusive that even an Angel might trust a Devil not to have some way around it. The character would have to get things like magical healing via someone like a Bard, or a Paladin or Cleric of a principle or ideal, or would have to buy potions and whatnot from someone other than a Cleric. Same for any other divine spells, and things like Augry and Commune. which contact a deific power directly would probably fail even for them. Now, if someone threw a [I]Bless[/I] or [I]Prayer[/I] spell, and he happened to be in the area, it would probably slip by, since the caster doesn't actually have direct control over which allies in range get the benefit. But leaving the crunchy bits aside, just the idea of such a character is intriguing. Like I said, he sounds like he ought to be the main protagonist in a fantasy tale. [/QUOTE]

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