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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 2615435" data-attributes="member: 158">Having owned the Hackmaster PHB, Hackmaster strikes me as 1st & 2nd edition, mixed together, with the "tactician" knob cranked all the way to "11." Skipping Betty and Sidewinder fireballs, explosive runes type spells that make the reader's eyes explode, 5 or 6 variations on the Raise Dead spell (I LOVE THIS CONCEPT! You, too, can raise your comerades at no more than 3rd level caster -- if they don't mind coming back with 1d4+1 physical or mental defects!) all of these concepts give me the idea that someone wanted AD&D, but with tons of optional material built exclusively with dungeon crawling and tournament play in mind. It sucks to be killed off at 3rd level and not able to afford a resurrection, but you, too, can have your character back, far away from home, if you're willing to suffer a bit.As for Hackmaster being "4E", it is, indeed the 4th edition of Hackmaster, if you read the book. Only in the preface does David Kenzer (I think) say that, in another time and  place, this could have been called, "third edition D&D".</blockquote>