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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JRRNeiklot" data-source="post: 2617982" data-attributes="member: 717">I'm really not knocking 3e, I still play it and have fun - at low to mid levels, anyway.  High level play just seems to be to much hassle and more mathematics than roleplaying.  That's another thread, though.  I just honestly can't believe anyone can create a 3e character quicker than a hackmaster character.  Now, maybe if you decide on playing a straight ranger or wizard or whatever, it is.  But if you EVER want a prestige class, you have to plan it out from level one.  That means you sometimes have to know what feat or skills to take at level 7 when you're level one.  Finding out you can't qualify for a class because you don't have the intelligence to take expertise, or your max cross class skill ranks aren't high enough just sucks.  Then you have 40 "wasted" skill points.  A ranger  with a low charisma who has 5 ranks in diplomacy and 5 in tumble (and he wears plate mail) is a waste when he could have put those ten ranks in something useful.  Those are sacrifices for your new class, and that's what makes them worthwhile, but one screwup and maybe you have to wait 3 more levels for the right feat to qualify.  I avoid this by meticulously planning out my characters step by step.  In Hacmaster, I pick a class, throw on some stps and I'm done.  Everything done at first level is my character from now on.  This isn't necessarily better, but imo, it's orders of magnitude FASTER.</blockquote>

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