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Message: <blockquote data-quote="barsoomcore" data-source="post: 1615213" data-attributes="member: 812">Three words, different human being.If you've got any evidence to present to suggest that the movie wasn't made for the fans, bring it up. Like I say, I'm happy to discuss either facts or opinions, but if you can't defend your opinion with a fact then don't expect me to take it for granted.I'm not claiming definitively one way or the other, but there's at least one bit of evidence AGAINST your statement -- the word of the director himself, who claims to be a fan and made a movie he thought would be cool. Ergo, he made it for the fans.Maybe not for YOU, but you do not represent all fans. Nobody does. So if he made it for SOME fans, your statement, "It was never made for the fans," is incorrect.I'm not the slightest bit angry nor am I heated. I'm just smacking you for making insulting remarks. The statement "I prefer quality" has no meaning -- it only makes sense as an veiled insult towards those who disagree with you.Because EVERYONE prefers quality, if that's the only variable on the table. EVERYONE will take the higher-quality item, all other things being equal.The point isn't that you like quality and I like crap. It's that we disagree as to the definition of quality. And it's that very disagreement that is the interesting part of any conversation that you and I might have on this subject. It's that very disagreement that I would want to talk about. What does quality mean to you and why does one movie show it and not the other?Here you go again. "Loyal D&D fans"? Come on. What you mean is, "People who agree (don't like the movie) with me agree with me (are loyal D&D fans)." And you're insinuating that people who like this film aren't loyal D&D fans, which is a ridiculous (and again, insulting) thing to say. Say this: "I don't like this movie." Isn't that simpler? Doesn't that feel better? Why do you need to support your opinion with these legions of mythical "Loyal D&D fans"?I'm interested in YOUR opinion. I don't care HOW many people share it. But if all you've got for me is insults, well, we don't have anything to talk about, do we? And I think that's a shame.I'm not objecting to anyone's critique of any movie. I'm objecting to you calling people who disagree with you stupid or disloyal or any other pejorative thing. And I'm not objecting to it because it makes me angry. Believe me, you're not capable of making me angry. Only IKEA furniture that won't assemble properly is truly capable of making me angry.You think the standards of debate on ENWorld is a stupid topic? Well, it isn't to me, and I'm sorry that once again, the fact that I disagree with you is being taken by you as evidence of my stupidity.But it isn't stupid to me; it's something I feel passionately about.I WANT to hear your opinion. I think you're smart. I think you've probably got good ideas, and I want to know what they are, even if I disagree with them. But don't expect me to take insults, veiled, conscious, or otherwise, lying down.</blockquote>

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