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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 1207811" data-attributes="member: 151"><p>Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but as you're right, you <strong><em>aren't</em></strong> sensitive to these issues. Simply put, you don't really have the same level of experience. Prior to having kids of my own, I didn't, either.</p><p> </p><p>The first thing you have to realize is that we're not talking about 10 year-olds here, we're talking 3 and 6. The second thing you have to understand is the moral universe children live in, and what they're capable of grasping with their emotional and mental toolset. </p><p> </p><p>Let's look at some recent episodes:</p><p> </p><p><strong>"Only a Dream":</strong> Now, I can only imagine you missed this one, or it slipped your mind. It scared me...it would terrify my kids. Let's look at some simple details, shall we? Superman kills Lois Lane with heat vision, destroys Metropolis and the daily planet and crushes Jimmy Olsen. The villian causes his ex-girlfriend to lapse into a horrific nightmare, from which she never wakes. The villians peels his skin off in the dream world to turn into a leering skull-faced horror. The Flash is attacked by pirahna-children. Hawkgirl <strong><u>IS BURIED ALIVE</u></strong>. In a coffin, by a laughing madman. Now consider that the troll from Harry Potter and Voldemort's disembodied face gave my 6 year-old nightmares when she was 5, and that my 3 year-old found the Goblin King too scary from Labyrinth....as would most kids of their age.</p><p> </p><p>"<strong>Tabula Rasa"</strong> features a dead professor who's seen several times on-screen. That sort of thing needs explaining to young kids, as does Luthor's manipulation of Amazo, the complicated relationship that Luthor has with Mercy and J'onn's going slightly insane. Oh, and then there's the brutal beating Luthor recieves, and the cold, calculated "I'll blow your head off" sequence. Kids don't live in a universe where anything like that makes sense. It all needs explaining, and can be disturbing and frightening. A 12 year old understands that the universe can be unpredictable and that there are varying shades of grey....a 3 year-old only understands the concept of 'good guys' and 'bad guys', where the 'bad guys' are naughty or mean. The idea of Luthor manipulating a vulnerable and naive child being, that the kids could sympathize with...that's just out of their mental framework to understand.</p><p> </p><p><strong>"Maid of Honor"</strong> is not too bad, as the recent crop of episodes go...but it has some elements, too. Vandal Savage poisons the king, causing him to have a stroke. Considering my father just had one too, I may be a little sensitive to it...but it's still a disturbing image for a child. Especially since there is no happy ending, here. There are deaths, too, though the aircraft carrier gets off easily. Vandall Savage rising out of the ground is a pretty frightening image for a child, too, while we're at it.</p><p> </p><p><strong>"Hearts and Minds"</strong> has people dying by the truckload and shipload, and lots of sexual overtones that I didn't mind, but I don't feel like trying to explain to my kids. I mean, impotence jokes, brass bikinis and sexual tension doesn't make much sense to a 1st grader. Not to mention people violently turning into plants, electro-shock torture and the implied threat of rape towards Hawkgirl from Despero. And the men turning into trees was weird, but could be disturbing, too.</p><p> </p><p><strong>"A Better World"</strong> Second only to Doctor Destiny's episode in scariness to a little kid, and potentially more damaging, as we see heroes being very UNheroic. It would be very hard for my 3 year-old to understand why Superman has become mean and scary, or why there's only one Flash. Try explaining why the heroes are fighting each other, or what Superman did to President Lex, and why they're fighting the police and what's wrong with all those people at the Arkham place, anyway? </p><p> </p><p>I could go on, but you should get the idea, by now. This isn't a case of showing the consequences of violence. For one, these shows don't really drive that point home... in point of fact, they send a mixed message on that point. And my kids aren't old enough to grasp those points yet, regardless. They don't understand the concept of death the way an adult does and they live in a simplified moral universe.</p><p> </p><p>Teen Titans is much more their speed, and I'm glad to let them watch that, instead. They can grasp that Slade is bad and Robin is good, and can understand the behaviors that make them that way. So when we reach the episode where Robin has to act as the bad guy, they need a little explanation, but they get it. The episode where Robin creates an alternate persona was more confusing than the two-parter 'The Apprentice', because my kids can understand that Robin is being made to be bad, becuase Slade will hurt his friends...that's easier to follow than an obsessive desire to hunt down a bad guy.</p><p> </p><p>And the Mad Mod is just <em>silly</em>. Which my son liked a lot. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 1207811, member: 151"] Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but as you're right, you [b][i]aren't[/i][/b] sensitive to these issues. Simply put, you don't really have the same level of experience. Prior to having kids of my own, I didn't, either. The first thing you have to realize is that we're not talking about 10 year-olds here, we're talking 3 and 6. The second thing you have to understand is the moral universe children live in, and what they're capable of grasping with their emotional and mental toolset. Let's look at some recent episodes: [b]"Only a Dream":[/b] Now, I can only imagine you missed this one, or it slipped your mind. It scared me...it would terrify my kids. Let's look at some simple details, shall we? Superman kills Lois Lane with heat vision, destroys Metropolis and the daily planet and crushes Jimmy Olsen. The villian causes his ex-girlfriend to lapse into a horrific nightmare, from which she never wakes. The villians peels his skin off in the dream world to turn into a leering skull-faced horror. The Flash is attacked by pirahna-children. Hawkgirl [b][u]IS BURIED ALIVE[/u][/b]. In a coffin, by a laughing madman. Now consider that the troll from Harry Potter and Voldemort's disembodied face gave my 6 year-old nightmares when she was 5, and that my 3 year-old found the Goblin King too scary from Labyrinth....as would most kids of their age. "[b]Tabula Rasa"[/b] features a dead professor who's seen several times on-screen. That sort of thing needs explaining to young kids, as does Luthor's manipulation of Amazo, the complicated relationship that Luthor has with Mercy and J'onn's going slightly insane. Oh, and then there's the brutal beating Luthor recieves, and the cold, calculated "I'll blow your head off" sequence. Kids don't live in a universe where anything like that makes sense. It all needs explaining, and can be disturbing and frightening. A 12 year old understands that the universe can be unpredictable and that there are varying shades of grey....a 3 year-old only understands the concept of 'good guys' and 'bad guys', where the 'bad guys' are naughty or mean. The idea of Luthor manipulating a vulnerable and naive child being, that the kids could sympathize with...that's just out of their mental framework to understand. [b]"Maid of Honor"[/b] is not too bad, as the recent crop of episodes go...but it has some elements, too. Vandal Savage poisons the king, causing him to have a stroke. Considering my father just had one too, I may be a little sensitive to it...but it's still a disturbing image for a child. Especially since there is no happy ending, here. There are deaths, too, though the aircraft carrier gets off easily. Vandall Savage rising out of the ground is a pretty frightening image for a child, too, while we're at it. [b]"Hearts and Minds"[/b] has people dying by the truckload and shipload, and lots of sexual overtones that I didn't mind, but I don't feel like trying to explain to my kids. I mean, impotence jokes, brass bikinis and sexual tension doesn't make much sense to a 1st grader. Not to mention people violently turning into plants, electro-shock torture and the implied threat of rape towards Hawkgirl from Despero. And the men turning into trees was weird, but could be disturbing, too. [b]"A Better World"[/b] Second only to Doctor Destiny's episode in scariness to a little kid, and potentially more damaging, as we see heroes being very UNheroic. It would be very hard for my 3 year-old to understand why Superman has become mean and scary, or why there's only one Flash. Try explaining why the heroes are fighting each other, or what Superman did to President Lex, and why they're fighting the police and what's wrong with all those people at the Arkham place, anyway? I could go on, but you should get the idea, by now. This isn't a case of showing the consequences of violence. For one, these shows don't really drive that point home... in point of fact, they send a mixed message on that point. And my kids aren't old enough to grasp those points yet, regardless. They don't understand the concept of death the way an adult does and they live in a simplified moral universe. Teen Titans is much more their speed, and I'm glad to let them watch that, instead. They can grasp that Slade is bad and Robin is good, and can understand the behaviors that make them that way. So when we reach the episode where Robin has to act as the bad guy, they need a little explanation, but they get it. The episode where Robin creates an alternate persona was more confusing than the two-parter 'The Apprentice', because my kids can understand that Robin is being made to be bad, becuase Slade will hurt his friends...that's easier to follow than an obsessive desire to hunt down a bad guy. And the Mad Mod is just [i]silly[/i]. Which my son liked a lot. :cool: [/QUOTE]
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