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<blockquote data-quote="Marius Delphus" data-source="post: 1529606" data-attributes="member: 447"><p>Oh, good, the Justice League is one of my favorite topics.</p><p> </p><p>It's all about pleasing the fans, right? There has to be *some* tension. For example, in the JLA story arc "Obsidian Age," the heroes were all killed. All of them. Whap. The only question was how they were going to be brought back to life (and how the replacement League would perform).</p><p> </p><p>A number of stunts in many of the issues of JLA had me exulting over their sheer coolness. I also liked the "Batman Protocols" (never, IIRC, referred to by that name, but if you've read the "Tower of Babel" storyline you know what I mean). I'm a little underwhelmed lately, even by the "isn't this cool" stuff, and it all came to a head when a recent Flash stunt in JLA had him moving many, many times the speed of light (I did the math, but I can't remember whether it was thousands or millions of times c)... the one where he single-handedly removed all the inhabitants of a city hit by a nuclear missile to a point 35 miles away. The number of trips he had to make is staggering, and the numbers are all there in the issue... and yet the caption said "near-lightspeed"... just the orders of magnitude involved made that statement seem awfully suspicious.</p><p> </p><p>I agree that the Justice League is all about showing these characters at their finest. That's the stuff that entertains me about the concept. I don't care whether X has a problem with Y because they're both in love with Z. I have no interest whether A thinks B shouldn't be on the team because B has a bad attitude. The Justice League is about kicking butt, taking names, and saving the planet. Or somebody else's planet. Or the universe. You get the idea. Meanwhile handing defeat after defeat to the bad guys, who if they were as efficient as the League might actually win; maybe the League's victory is by a narrow margin, but getting around to beating the bad guys is what they *do* when they put on the tights/bracelets/wings/whatever every morning.</p><p> </p><p>The way I see the JL cartoon is, they are marketing to the 8-14 crowd, the ones who buy toys! or get their parents to buy toys! It all became clear to me after browsing the toy aisle one lazy afternoon... so of course they will fudge the "real" characters a bit. It makes them more accessible. Superman and Wonder Woman are the super-tough ones. Batman is the super-smart one. GL and Hawkgirl are the ones with the super-weapons. Flash is the super-fast one. (Of course, even in the comic books, continuity (such as it is) is nearly always placed second in importance to favor the current plot idea.) So maybe Green Lantern isn't as potent as he should be because this week's threat needs to confound everyone long enough to become a real problem (and thus last a half hour). Superman isn't as indestructible as he should be because this week's threat needs to seem dangerous (and last a half hour).</p><p> </p><p>Trying to figure out "why" sometimes is like metagaming, just without a DM.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marius Delphus, post: 1529606, member: 447"] Oh, good, the Justice League is one of my favorite topics. It's all about pleasing the fans, right? There has to be *some* tension. For example, in the JLA story arc "Obsidian Age," the heroes were all killed. All of them. Whap. The only question was how they were going to be brought back to life (and how the replacement League would perform). A number of stunts in many of the issues of JLA had me exulting over their sheer coolness. I also liked the "Batman Protocols" (never, IIRC, referred to by that name, but if you've read the "Tower of Babel" storyline you know what I mean). I'm a little underwhelmed lately, even by the "isn't this cool" stuff, and it all came to a head when a recent Flash stunt in JLA had him moving many, many times the speed of light (I did the math, but I can't remember whether it was thousands or millions of times c)... the one where he single-handedly removed all the inhabitants of a city hit by a nuclear missile to a point 35 miles away. The number of trips he had to make is staggering, and the numbers are all there in the issue... and yet the caption said "near-lightspeed"... just the orders of magnitude involved made that statement seem awfully suspicious. I agree that the Justice League is all about showing these characters at their finest. That's the stuff that entertains me about the concept. I don't care whether X has a problem with Y because they're both in love with Z. I have no interest whether A thinks B shouldn't be on the team because B has a bad attitude. The Justice League is about kicking butt, taking names, and saving the planet. Or somebody else's planet. Or the universe. You get the idea. Meanwhile handing defeat after defeat to the bad guys, who if they were as efficient as the League might actually win; maybe the League's victory is by a narrow margin, but getting around to beating the bad guys is what they *do* when they put on the tights/bracelets/wings/whatever every morning. The way I see the JL cartoon is, they are marketing to the 8-14 crowd, the ones who buy toys! or get their parents to buy toys! It all became clear to me after browsing the toy aisle one lazy afternoon... so of course they will fudge the "real" characters a bit. It makes them more accessible. Superman and Wonder Woman are the super-tough ones. Batman is the super-smart one. GL and Hawkgirl are the ones with the super-weapons. Flash is the super-fast one. (Of course, even in the comic books, continuity (such as it is) is nearly always placed second in importance to favor the current plot idea.) So maybe Green Lantern isn't as potent as he should be because this week's threat needs to confound everyone long enough to become a real problem (and thus last a half hour). Superman isn't as indestructible as he should be because this week's threat needs to seem dangerous (and last a half hour). Trying to figure out "why" sometimes is like metagaming, just without a DM. [/QUOTE]
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