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<blockquote data-quote="comrade raoul" data-source="post: 198199" data-attributes="member: 554">Mostly I'm quite impressed -- this looks like a well-thought out, balanced, and faithful recreation of the Kai Lords.Before the boards were switched around, I suggested giving the Kai Lord a fighter-quality base attack bonus. There are three reasons for this:1) What does a Kai Lord do in combat? It seems to me that she'd rely almost exclusively on weapon attacks -- she doesn't have a rogue's sneak attack, a monk's unarmed prowess, or a cleric's spells, or a bard's support songs and magic. Without a fighter-quality BAB, she's going to be much less effective than her fighter. If she did have a fighter-quality BAB, she would be a pretty effective -- but, appropriately, still weaker than the fighter or barbarian. Especially with the d8 hit die.2) While the Kai and Magnakai disciplines generally seem helpful, and the Kai Lord certainly gets a good deal of them, it seems to me that they're a little too weak for characters with cleric-quality BAB advancement (the cleric has powerful spellcasting, the rogue has loads of skills, a sneak attack, and some very good special abilities, the monk has amazing saves and impressive special abilities). I don't think a Kai Lord's abilities are too out of line with respect to the fighter's feats and the paladin/ranger/barbarian bonus feats.3) Remember that Lone Wolf could really hold his own, even without his Sommerswerd.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="comrade raoul, post: 198199, member: 554"] Mostly I'm quite impressed -- this looks like a well-thought out, balanced, and faithful recreation of the Kai Lords. Before the boards were switched around, I suggested giving the Kai Lord a fighter-quality base attack bonus. There are three reasons for this: 1) What does a Kai Lord do in combat? It seems to me that she'd rely almost exclusively on weapon attacks -- she doesn't have a rogue's sneak attack, a monk's unarmed prowess, or a cleric's spells, or a bard's support songs and magic. Without a fighter-quality BAB, she's going to be much less effective than her fighter. If she [b]did[/b] have a fighter-quality BAB, she would be a pretty effective -- but, appropriately, still weaker than the fighter or barbarian. Especially with the d8 hit die. 2) While the Kai and Magnakai disciplines generally seem helpful, and the Kai Lord certainly gets a good deal of them, it seems to me that they're a little too weak for characters with cleric-quality BAB advancement (the cleric has powerful spellcasting, the rogue has loads of skills, a sneak attack, and some very good special abilities, the monk has amazing saves and impressive special abilities). I don't think a Kai Lord's abilities are too out of line with respect to the fighter's feats and the paladin/ranger/barbarian bonus feats. 3) Remember that Lone Wolf could really hold his own, even without his Sommerswerd. [/QUOTE]

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