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<blockquote data-quote="GreenTengu" data-source="post: 6767728" data-attributes="member: 6777454"><p>Well, your rant certainly put me in a position.</p><p>I apologize for implying that you were ignorant in being an arrogant racists by suggesting that all people for whom the Japanese word for knight may be applied in a setting where all peoples are Japanese, Chinese or Korean by default should fit some super ultra narrowly defined mold based on one individual who would not even be held up as the pinnacle of what a samurai should be. (After all, samurai were modeled after Minamoto Yoshitsune, not Miyamoto Musashi) while certainly never holding western knights remotely to that ultra narrow standard in the western "pulp" base setting.</p><p></p><p>Now you have really shown me that you were actually informed and <strong>CHOOSING</strong> to be arrogantly racist by suggesting that all people for whom the Japanese word for knight may be applied in a setting where all peoples are Japanese, Chinese or Korean by default should fit some super ultra narrowly defined mold based on one individual who would not even be held up as the pinnacle of what a samurai should be while certainly never holding western knights remotely to that ultra narrow standard.</p><p></p><p>Certainly my point was that in Forgotten Realms you do not have to be a guy riding ALWAYS riding horse and ALWAYS using a lance and ALWAYS wearing full platemail to be a knight, nor is there a specific class called "knight" that required you to do such things to qualify as a knight. So use the equivalent Japanese word to pigeon-hole people into a ridiculously narrow concept that utterly failed to remotely match the majority of the people to whom the word is applied just because you think being the "superior" culture, your people can be wide and differentiated while the people from the "inferior" culture must absolutely fit precisely the mold YOU determined for them....</p><p></p><p>Yeah, I am really sorry that the truth paints you as having a really terrible mentality when it comes to how to treat other cultures when dealing with them. I am also sorry you have suffered personal tragedy, which I suppose you imagine you are alone in all the world from having the experience of. I am also sorry that you think bringing it up wins any argument you engage in. I am also sorry to hear that you fell victim to the addiction of the world's most popular MMORPG and lost yourself so much to it that it has literally become the center of your very existence.</p><p></p><p>And, I suppose I am also sorry that your point #4 where it seems you finally came to realize precisely what I was getting at and admit that the category of what a "samurai" is goes WAY beyond a lightly armored person who always uses 2 very specific swords no matter the situation demonstrates that I was clearly right in making a point regardless of the manner in which I chose to call out someone pigeon-holing and narrowly defining a culture that was foreign to them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreenTengu, post: 6767728, member: 6777454"] Well, your rant certainly put me in a position. I apologize for implying that you were ignorant in being an arrogant racists by suggesting that all people for whom the Japanese word for knight may be applied in a setting where all peoples are Japanese, Chinese or Korean by default should fit some super ultra narrowly defined mold based on one individual who would not even be held up as the pinnacle of what a samurai should be. (After all, samurai were modeled after Minamoto Yoshitsune, not Miyamoto Musashi) while certainly never holding western knights remotely to that ultra narrow standard in the western "pulp" base setting. Now you have really shown me that you were actually informed and [B]CHOOSING[/B] to be arrogantly racist by suggesting that all people for whom the Japanese word for knight may be applied in a setting where all peoples are Japanese, Chinese or Korean by default should fit some super ultra narrowly defined mold based on one individual who would not even be held up as the pinnacle of what a samurai should be while certainly never holding western knights remotely to that ultra narrow standard. Certainly my point was that in Forgotten Realms you do not have to be a guy riding ALWAYS riding horse and ALWAYS using a lance and ALWAYS wearing full platemail to be a knight, nor is there a specific class called "knight" that required you to do such things to qualify as a knight. So use the equivalent Japanese word to pigeon-hole people into a ridiculously narrow concept that utterly failed to remotely match the majority of the people to whom the word is applied just because you think being the "superior" culture, your people can be wide and differentiated while the people from the "inferior" culture must absolutely fit precisely the mold YOU determined for them.... Yeah, I am really sorry that the truth paints you as having a really terrible mentality when it comes to how to treat other cultures when dealing with them. I am also sorry you have suffered personal tragedy, which I suppose you imagine you are alone in all the world from having the experience of. I am also sorry that you think bringing it up wins any argument you engage in. I am also sorry to hear that you fell victim to the addiction of the world's most popular MMORPG and lost yourself so much to it that it has literally become the center of your very existence. And, I suppose I am also sorry that your point #4 where it seems you finally came to realize precisely what I was getting at and admit that the category of what a "samurai" is goes WAY beyond a lightly armored person who always uses 2 very specific swords no matter the situation demonstrates that I was clearly right in making a point regardless of the manner in which I chose to call out someone pigeon-holing and narrowly defining a culture that was foreign to them. [/QUOTE]
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