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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hawken" data-source="post: 2200925" data-attributes="member: 23619">Hence why KS doesn't work against IG. Grappling is not a melee attack. It does not inflict damage. You simply make a melee touch attack to grab hold of someone, not inflict damage.Starting a grapple is not "hitting" with a melee attack. Successfully starting a grapple does not inflict any damage whatsoever. And IUS does not negate KS because it is still an attack that you must hit with. Starting a grapple is not "hitting" someone and doesn't inflict damage. You can hit someone with your fist or foot, but you don't hit with a grapple, you just grapple.KS does not state it is triggered whether from a grapple or not. Those are your words, there is nothing like that in the feat description. And the IG AOO negation is not focused at all, it is directed at anyone that a grapple attempt is being made on. It does defeat KS because starting a grapple is not "hitting" someone. If you read the description of KS it mentions, "If you hit with your attack of opportunity both you and your opponent deal and take damage simultaneously". This implies that the feat triggers only on melee attacks that inflict damage. Grappling doesn't do that.  What book are you reading that says Combat Expertise is a prerequisite for KS? It isn't. Dex 13+ and Dodge are the only requirements for KS.  Wrong again, Hyp. Starting a grapple, with IG, against someone with KS, is not hitting them. Hitting something causes damage. Its grabbing them. Grabbing doesn't cause damage. And when you say things like "can be understood to mean...," you're getting away from the rules as they are written and straying into your own idea of what those rules mean.</blockquote>

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