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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lichmaster" data-source="post: 8427779" data-attributes="member: 6683330">Eh, not sure I agree here. The rogue has a defining feature: sneak attack. The Barbarian has rage and effects on crits in a5e iirc.The fighter doesn't have either, of course, and its versatility is present in the maneuvers, but keep in mind it has only one fighting style available at low levels. I guess I don't see versatility as the defining characteristic of what a fighter should be. It should of course be an important part, but not the whole thing.It's not that I mourn over action surge per se. But it was a unique feature of the fighter, that arguably caused several problems with multiclassing. The point is, as you said: what do you get instead? Just a bunch of maneuvers? It's ok, I guess...</blockquote>