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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lichmaster" data-source="post: 8432674" data-attributes="member: 6683330">I think o5e was quite underpowered wrt most of the other classes. Sure, you get Action Surge, and indomitable at high level, but what else?The base class in itself was relatively uninteresting, and it became playable only thanks to the subclasses (except for the Champion, which stayed as basic as possible).This was pretty much officially stated as a design choice: there had to be a beginner class. Choosing spells and features may be too complicated for new players, so the basic fighter and the champion subclass covered this need. A really poor choice IMO (just have simpler classes in a starter package and assume a basic competence for the full product), but it's not something a5e should stick to. So IMO it's good if a5e fighter is better than o5e, provided is more or less in the same ballpark of other a5e classes</blockquote>