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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5228359" data-attributes="member: 78116">Well, that was probably before people realized how good wizards actually were while they were still abloo ablooing over them not being completely game breaking.Archmage and Legions Hold are both in the original players handbook. Throw Bloodmage as it was and Wizards were hands down the best class in 4th edition.A bloodmage that goes archmage has:2x uses of Destructive Salutation or 2x uses of Legions Hold (or some combination of that). So they have an area burst 3 targets enemies stuns on hit, stuns on miss power. Then a close burst 20, targets enemies, stuns on hit or dazes on miss power. At level 30 with archspell they probably turn legions hold or destructive salutation into an encounter power for further hilarity (and it's much easier to get encounter powers back).Wizards at epic tier are frankly completely bananas and all of the above is from the players handbook and has survived a lot of errata.Edit: I'd like to point out though that with terrain, powers and similar these are not "I win" buttons. The encounter that got 2 legions hold (and will get a third) was still quite challenging. The molydeus getting two turns and deciding he just isn't interested in this stun/daze save ends stuff really helps. He's still jumping all over the cleric with glee.</blockquote>