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<blockquote data-quote="Hellcow" data-source="post: 4123858" data-attributes="member: 15800"><p>Sure, Spatula, but flip it around. What do you expect me to do? </p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I've played with a non-combat system - rituals - that I really like. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I'm legally bound not to reveal any information until it's actually released by WotC. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I then see someone say "4E magic sucks. It's all just damage."</li> </ul><p>I <strong>know</strong> that statement is incorrect. I can't legally spell out how the system works. So do I say nothing - in which case people may assume that the person saying it's all about damage has access to information they don't, and is speaking the truth? Or do I at least point out that there's more you haven't seen? </p><p></p><p>I understand your frustration with the fact that so many systems are as yet unrevealed. I understand why, based on the information you have received, you may come to a particular conclusion. I <strong>CAN'T</strong> provide the information that will illuminate everything. It's not my call to make. All I can do is try to clarify when I see people jumping to what I believe are inaccurate conclusions. </p><p></p><p>So put yourself in my position. You've played an unreleased system you really like. Or for that matter, seen a preview of a movie you really love, or read an advance copy of a novel. The company's released a few trailers or a chapter of the novel, and people are jumping to lots of conclusions about it. You're not allowed to share the full insight you have. People start trashing the movie based on the trailers, and you think it's great. Do you say nothing? Or do you say "Well, the preview only showed the action scenes - there's a lot more to it than that?" Especially if you think that someone who's seen a trailer and been turned off might actually like the movie, if they knew about the scenes that haven't been shown?</p><p></p><p>I'm NOT challenging people's right to criticize what they see, to have doubts, or to jump to conclusions based on the limited information they have. That's both human nature and all that people CAN do right now. And I'm not saying that when you finally see it, all those doubts will be wiped away, and you will shed tears of joy at this wonder of gaming. But I will continue to say that you DON'T have all the information, to try to point out specific areas where I feel that there's more to be seen, and to say that as someone who IS engaged in an ongoing campaign, I'm having a great deal of fun with it - far more than I did with 3E. I'm the guy who's seen the movie instead of the trailer. I can't put it up on youtube or leak the script without getting into a hell of a lot of trouble. But I can say that I think it's a great movie, and that I can't wait for it to actually come out so that I CAN talk about it openly.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hellcow, post: 4123858, member: 15800"] Sure, Spatula, but flip it around. What do you expect me to do? [list][*]I've played with a non-combat system - rituals - that I really like. [*]I'm legally bound not to reveal any information until it's actually released by WotC. [*]I then see someone say "4E magic sucks. It's all just damage." [/list] I [b]know[/b] that statement is incorrect. I can't legally spell out how the system works. So do I say nothing - in which case people may assume that the person saying it's all about damage has access to information they don't, and is speaking the truth? Or do I at least point out that there's more you haven't seen? I understand your frustration with the fact that so many systems are as yet unrevealed. I understand why, based on the information you have received, you may come to a particular conclusion. I [b]CAN'T[/b] provide the information that will illuminate everything. It's not my call to make. All I can do is try to clarify when I see people jumping to what I believe are inaccurate conclusions. So put yourself in my position. You've played an unreleased system you really like. Or for that matter, seen a preview of a movie you really love, or read an advance copy of a novel. The company's released a few trailers or a chapter of the novel, and people are jumping to lots of conclusions about it. You're not allowed to share the full insight you have. People start trashing the movie based on the trailers, and you think it's great. Do you say nothing? Or do you say "Well, the preview only showed the action scenes - there's a lot more to it than that?" Especially if you think that someone who's seen a trailer and been turned off might actually like the movie, if they knew about the scenes that haven't been shown? I'm NOT challenging people's right to criticize what they see, to have doubts, or to jump to conclusions based on the limited information they have. That's both human nature and all that people CAN do right now. And I'm not saying that when you finally see it, all those doubts will be wiped away, and you will shed tears of joy at this wonder of gaming. But I will continue to say that you DON'T have all the information, to try to point out specific areas where I feel that there's more to be seen, and to say that as someone who IS engaged in an ongoing campaign, I'm having a great deal of fun with it - far more than I did with 3E. I'm the guy who's seen the movie instead of the trailer. I can't put it up on youtube or leak the script without getting into a hell of a lot of trouble. But I can say that I think it's a great movie, and that I can't wait for it to actually come out so that I CAN talk about it openly. [/QUOTE]
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