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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hellcow" data-source="post: 4124171" data-attributes="member: 15800"><p>As a side note, I'm not suggesting that the fact that characters have something to do out of combat is somehow new or unique to 4E. Cleric-as-Diplomat, Ranger-as-keen-eyed-spy is classic D&D. Which is essentially my point. 4E doesn't somehow take away the ability to make a character who shines in a noncombat role; it also doesn't force you to sacrifice significant combat efficiency for that role. It's true that you can't CHOOSE to make a comically handicapped character - or, for that matter, a tragically handicapped one. A rogue will have some form of combat power (just as all 3E rogues get sneak attack regardless of build). But the system does support combat and noncombat roles for PCs, and allows PCs of the same class to take different directions in both of these arenas.</p></blockquote><p></p>