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<blockquote data-quote="nutluck" data-source="post: 4125412" data-attributes="member: 4844"><p>Hellcow yeah i knew that, to what degree it is true I don't know. I doubt it is to the point I want though from what I have read but we shall see. </p><p></p><p>Cadfan yes that is your answer but to me it doesn't do that. No in a adventuring party I don't expect anyone to make Hawkings who is useless in combat. But I also think people should be allowed to make people that can only add very little to combat.</p><p></p><p>I disagree it screws up balance. It only screw up balance in certain styles of games which has been my point all along. Right now 4e looks like it is catering to one and only one style of game. Maybe it will and maybe it won't work with other styles we haven't seen enough to know. But if it does only cater to one then to me that is a bad design and makes the game not for me.</p><p></p><p>A good GM works with her players to make sure they make characters that fit and can work in the story she is telling. What that might be varies a lot form group to group and i think 4e could have and should have been flexible enough to cater to a wide range of playing styles.</p><p></p><p>Right now to me it looks like in 4e they have limits. In that you have to be X good at combat, you have to be X good at skills, ect. The problem is I think they set the mimium way to high. </p><p></p><p>I am not saying your play style is wrong or not fun, I am say there is more styles of play and they are just as fun and just as valid and work just as well. And 4e seems to be catering as I said to a single style, which IMHO is a mistake. But I am not going to cry about it,*shrug* plenty of other games can allow me to play that style. 3e might be one of them, don't know yet as i don't know what 4e will allow yet for sure.</p><p></p><p>It just bugs me when people say this or that won't work, or this or that ruins the fun ect. What works and doesn't work depends on the group and what is and is not fun depends on the group. What i find fun others might find boring and what others might find fun I might find boring. Nothing wrong with either.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nutluck, post: 4125412, member: 4844"] Hellcow yeah i knew that, to what degree it is true I don't know. I doubt it is to the point I want though from what I have read but we shall see. Cadfan yes that is your answer but to me it doesn't do that. No in a adventuring party I don't expect anyone to make Hawkings who is useless in combat. But I also think people should be allowed to make people that can only add very little to combat. I disagree it screws up balance. It only screw up balance in certain styles of games which has been my point all along. Right now 4e looks like it is catering to one and only one style of game. Maybe it will and maybe it won't work with other styles we haven't seen enough to know. But if it does only cater to one then to me that is a bad design and makes the game not for me. A good GM works with her players to make sure they make characters that fit and can work in the story she is telling. What that might be varies a lot form group to group and i think 4e could have and should have been flexible enough to cater to a wide range of playing styles. Right now to me it looks like in 4e they have limits. In that you have to be X good at combat, you have to be X good at skills, ect. The problem is I think they set the mimium way to high. I am not saying your play style is wrong or not fun, I am say there is more styles of play and they are just as fun and just as valid and work just as well. And 4e seems to be catering as I said to a single style, which IMHO is a mistake. But I am not going to cry about it,*shrug* plenty of other games can allow me to play that style. 3e might be one of them, don't know yet as i don't know what 4e will allow yet for sure. It just bugs me when people say this or that won't work, or this or that ruins the fun ect. What works and doesn't work depends on the group and what is and is not fun depends on the group. What i find fun others might find boring and what others might find fun I might find boring. Nothing wrong with either. [/QUOTE]
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