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<blockquote data-quote="Shard O'Glase" data-source="post: 444175" data-attributes="member: 1134">IMO not many people argue that the psychic warrior is weak, it gets d8 hp, bonus feats close to the fighters, access to cool psychic feats, powers, martial weapons all armor, and mid bab.&nbsp; That's a really solid package.The psion on the other hand is a bit weak.&nbsp; Even the telepath which is probably the best of the psions is fairly weak.&nbsp; A sorcerer focussed on enchantments would in most situations be flat out better, because he could cast more powers unless the psion stuck with its weakest powers for lots of lesser effects, the sorcerers enchantments would be close to the power of the psions, loosing out on a couple cool higher level dominates, mind switch, and acess to some powers one level ealierBut the psion is almost completely stuck just on enchantments, and therefor has gaping weaknesses when facing undead, cosntructs, those protected by a simple protection v evil etc, where as the sorcerer can take a couple really solid non-enchantment powers which would barely weaken its enchantment focus and greatly strengthen its ability to fight enchantment immune or resistent foes, and provide other great utility to the party.&nbsp; One of the biggest boons for the telepath is schism, which unlike haste is a personal power so can be made persistent.&nbsp; Or its other great powers like mind switch.&nbsp; The telepath gains 4 skill points that are actually on point to the character class unlike the sorcerer, and the psion can cast in armor.&nbsp; But when it comes to spellcasting power the psion is more on par with the bard, than with the other casters, wiz/sor/druids/clerics just blow the psion out of the water over all, with the psion maybe getting a slight edge in their specialty.&nbsp; But considering how focussed the psion is and its role as a primary spellcaster it should be a lot better in its specialty and not just slightly.This isn't to say someone can't build an play a effective psion, and certain combos can be powerful etc.&nbsp; But quite frankly someone can build and play an effective expert, but that doesn't change the fact that the expert is just a sub-par rogue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shard O'Glase, post: 444175, member: 1134"] IMO not many people argue that the psychic warrior is weak, it gets d8 hp, bonus feats close to the fighters, access to cool psychic feats, powers, martial weapons all armor, and mid bab. That's a really solid package. The psion on the other hand is a bit weak. Even the telepath which is probably the best of the psions is fairly weak. A sorcerer focussed on enchantments would in most situations be flat out better, because he could cast more powers unless the psion stuck with its weakest powers for lots of lesser effects, the sorcerers enchantments would be close to the power of the psions, loosing out on a couple cool higher level dominates, mind switch, and acess to some powers one level ealier But the psion is almost completely stuck just on enchantments, and therefor has gaping weaknesses when facing undead, cosntructs, those protected by a simple protection v evil etc, where as the sorcerer can take a couple really solid non-enchantment powers which would barely weaken its enchantment focus and greatly strengthen its ability to fight enchantment immune or resistent foes, and provide other great utility to the party. One of the biggest boons for the telepath is schism, which unlike haste is a personal power so can be made persistent. Or its other great powers like mind switch. The telepath gains 4 skill points that are actually on point to the character class unlike the sorcerer, and the psion can cast in armor. But when it comes to spellcasting power the psion is more on par with the bard, than with the other casters, wiz/sor/druids/clerics just blow the psion out of the water over all, with the psion maybe getting a slight edge in their specialty. But considering how focussed the psion is and its role as a primary spellcaster it should be a lot better in its specialty and not just slightly. This isn't to say someone can't build an play a effective psion, and certain combos can be powerful etc. But quite frankly someone can build and play an effective expert, but that doesn't change the fact that the expert is just a sub-par rogue. [/QUOTE]

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