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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Warpiglet-7" data-source="post: 9111779" data-attributes="member: 7025282">I guess this kind of gets at what I am asking.I did not really enjoy 4e.  No shade just one opinion in millions.  It had good structure though.It seems the more you cobble together/variety the dicier it gets.You can I think include all of the optional rules and still be ok with the right group.  But really if people want to break things they can in 5e with multiclassing.With old editions and few levers to pull I guess you can roll godly stats but then one errant blow can take you down bed for the era of stat inflation.  Magic items were a bigger player though…</blockquote>