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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 85821" data-attributes="member: 707">I sit on the other side of the spectrum.&nbsp; I think Raise Dead and Resurrection are integral parts of the D&amp;D experience, and that without them, the game is far too lethal to expect any kind of long-term character development.&nbsp; I'd hate to be in a game as lethal as 3e without any way to get my beloved PC back.&nbsp; But YMMV.The PCs are only acting thoughtlessly and callously if the world they live in sees killing someone and then raising them as such.&nbsp; In a world with Raise Dead readily available, and seeing as the girls were hostages of the villain, I'm not sure that's the case.&nbsp; After all, though they had to go through the experience of death, the end result of that death was that the girls were no longer hostages of the villain.In such a world, under such circumstances, the deaths of the girls might be viewed as a tactical maneuver.&nbsp; The heroes knew they could bring the girls back, and by attacking the villain then and there, they prevented him from escaping with hostages, perhaps to use them to harm even more innocents.I think the most important thing here is that the players understand the nature of the actions involved, and what the consequences are.&nbsp; If the players know that death is often a life-changing experience, causing severe phychological scarring, then their casual treatment of death may be considered evil.&nbsp; But if the players are under the impression that death is simply a &quot;holding action&quot; until the Raise Dead spell kicks in, then it's unfair to punish them now for that assumption.Simply put:&nbsp; IMO, the rules need to be clearly defined before the PCs/players are punished for breaking them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Pendragon, post: 85821, member: 707"] I sit on the other side of the spectrum. I think [i]Raise Dead[/i] and [i]Resurrection[/i] are integral parts of the D&D experience, and that without them, the game is far too lethal to expect any kind of long-term character development. I'd hate to be in a game as lethal as 3e without any way to get my beloved PC back. But YMMV. The PCs are only acting thoughtlessly and callously if the world they live in sees killing someone and then raising them as such. In a world with [i]Raise Dead[/i] readily available, and seeing as the girls were hostages of the villain, I'm not sure that's the case. After all, though they had to go through the experience of death, the end result of that death was that the girls were no longer hostages of the villain. In such a world, under such circumstances, the deaths of the girls might be viewed as a tactical maneuver. The heroes knew they could bring the girls back, and by attacking the villain then and there, they prevented him from escaping with hostages, perhaps to use them to harm even more innocents. I think the most important thing here is that the players understand the nature of the actions involved, and what the consequences are. If the players [i]know[/i] that death is often a life-changing experience, causing severe phychological scarring, then their casual treatment of death may be considered evil. But if the players are under the impression that death is simply a "holding action" until the [i]Raise Dead[/i] spell kicks in, then it's unfair to punish them now for that assumption. Simply put: IMO, the rules need to be clearly defined before the PCs/players are punished for breaking them. [/QUOTE]

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