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<blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 5779578" data-attributes="member: 8158">D&amp;D 5e will not be a game that unifies. When you have people with, as you say, a very particular opinion of what D&amp;D is, and that way is not concerned with good mechanics or gameplay that anyone else will have fun with, and instead craves returning to old, familiar ways that foist a lot of randomness and arbitrary restrictions down the throats of players, then you're going to get a game that somebody doesn't like. If people are intractible, they will not meet you in the middle.For instance, it isn't hard to understand why ability scores are kind of superfluous. Games that don't use ability scores exist, and all they need to replace them are essentially things that both 3e and 4e had to offer (i.e. feats and skills). However, no amount of proof will convince somebody who's simply mired in the past.&nbsp; I also don't think that Kamakaze Midget's notions about making rules more modular is going to remedy the issue. The set-in-the-ways folks will resent that very modularity, and people who want the game to have a cohesive core structure don't want a game that's a giant jigsaw puzzle. I still have an entertainment center I bought last year that I haven't put together. I love character-building options, but as far as rules of gameplay go, I don't want my game to require as much effort as that entertainment center. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />In short, you can't please everyone, and even with burdens of proof met, it's going to simply be a matter of some folks willing to make concessions while others refuse. There will no shortage of axes to grind. Ability scores will be in, racial class restrictions are gone for good.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Felon, post: 5779578, member: 8158"] D&D 5e will not be a game that unifies. When you have people with, as you say, a very particular opinion of what D&D is, and that way is not concerned with good mechanics or gameplay that anyone else will have fun with, and instead craves returning to old, familiar ways that foist a lot of randomness and arbitrary restrictions down the throats of players, then you're going to get a game that somebody doesn't like. If people are intractible, they will not meet you in the middle. For instance, it isn't hard to understand why ability scores are kind of superfluous. Games that don't use ability scores exist, and all they need to replace them are essentially things that both 3e and 4e had to offer (i.e. feats and skills). However, no amount of proof will convince somebody who's simply mired in the past. I also don't think that Kamakaze Midget's notions about making rules more modular is going to remedy the issue. The set-in-the-ways folks will resent that very modularity, and people who want the game to have a cohesive core structure don't want a game that's a giant jigsaw puzzle. I still have an entertainment center I bought last year that I haven't put together. I love character-building options, but as far as rules of gameplay go, I don't want my game to require as much effort as that entertainment center. :) In short, you can't please everyone, and even with burdens of proof met, it's going to simply be a matter of some folks willing to make concessions while others refuse. There will no shortage of axes to grind. Ability scores will be in, racial class restrictions are gone for good. [/QUOTE]

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