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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 2153751" data-attributes="member: 29014">I think player stupidity is sometimes a factor.  My main group is smart, but they still lose characters (although they've never had a TPK yet).  I played with a group of people who I knew to be dumber than my main group, and in the game they were in fact dumber, and willing to do stupid things for no apparent reason: 1) Casting a Charm Person [which failed to take hold] on a fellow PC whose rage was a result of failed magical experiments, which causes him to enter an uncontrollable frenzy when he makes the save against anyone who targets him with a spell that is non-harmless, causing the frenzied character to TPK everyone else, since they weren't prepared for combat and he got some crits.2) Entered a complex where they knew there was a goblin crossbow ambush (and they knew where it was) without casting even their hour/level duration protection spells, let alone any of their others, and they didn't bring anything more than one simple torch for light, allowing the goblins to use their Darkvision against them (none of the PCs had it), which they knew would happen from their last fight with goblins.  The 4 32 Point-Buy 3rd-level characters were TPKed by 8 average goblins.</blockquote>