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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 2158099" data-attributes="member: 114">I think the downside of CR is that it is now possible and expected to face mid level characters with challenges which are as risky for them as the equivalent CR challenges when they are low level... mid level characters basically face as much risk in combat as they did at lower levels. In 1e and earlier, by the time you reached 9th-12th level there wasn't all that much which could be as big a threat to you as orcs were at 1st level. Giants were moderately nasty (5d6 damage against your 84 hp? Not nice. Compare that with 3e with 3-4 attacks each doing 2d8+12 or something with power attack and critical hits on top of that... even 134hp doesn't look like much.Instant kills (poisons, cursed items) have disappeared, I'll admit... but they never saw much use in our games anyway. Spell damage has been dialed right down in comparison. In 1e a tough monster had 48hp and was severely threatened by a 10d6 fireball. Now it probably has 150hp and laughs at it!Cheers</blockquote>