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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 7743380" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>D&D is warfare against evil. </p><p></p><p>In real life, there are sometimes heroes in war. The soldiers who killed the Nazis and opened the concentration camps were heroes, for example. And if you were on the inside of those camps, you can be darn sure you'd have viewed those killings as heroic. </p><p></p><p>I find it odd you list superheroes, complete fiction, as the example and then talk about how people don't want realism. Superheroes are far more of a fantasy than the realism of war heroes.</p><p></p><p>The player characters are typically not living in a setting where there is a United Nations, or a Department of State, or pacifism as a common option. Orcs will not respect a peaceful mediator who will arbitrate a peace treaty where all can live in harmony. They're living in a world with actual good and evil, and if the good stand by and do nothing to protect the innocent then evil will do horrible things to those innocents and then murder them. And they're often not open to negotiation, and if they are in the moment then the odds are they will turn around and commit another atrocity the moment you turn your back on them. </p><p></p><p>I don't view "war heroes as the standard for this setting" as a "problem". The setting Superman and Spiderman and Captain America comes from is drastically different from this one, and frankly <a href="https://www.cbr.com/the-abandoned-an-forsaked-so-did-captain-america-kill-people-during-world-war-ii-or-what/" target="_blank">when Captain America lived in an earlier era setting he did routinely kill people</a>. And was viewed as heroic for doing it. And it wasn't a problem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 7743380, member: 2525"] D&D is warfare against evil. In real life, there are sometimes heroes in war. The soldiers who killed the Nazis and opened the concentration camps were heroes, for example. And if you were on the inside of those camps, you can be darn sure you'd have viewed those killings as heroic. I find it odd you list superheroes, complete fiction, as the example and then talk about how people don't want realism. Superheroes are far more of a fantasy than the realism of war heroes. The player characters are typically not living in a setting where there is a United Nations, or a Department of State, or pacifism as a common option. Orcs will not respect a peaceful mediator who will arbitrate a peace treaty where all can live in harmony. They're living in a world with actual good and evil, and if the good stand by and do nothing to protect the innocent then evil will do horrible things to those innocents and then murder them. And they're often not open to negotiation, and if they are in the moment then the odds are they will turn around and commit another atrocity the moment you turn your back on them. I don't view "war heroes as the standard for this setting" as a "problem". The setting Superman and Spiderman and Captain America comes from is drastically different from this one, and frankly [URL="https://www.cbr.com/the-abandoned-an-forsaked-so-did-captain-america-kill-people-during-world-war-ii-or-what/"]when Captain America lived in an earlier era setting he did routinely kill people[/URL]. And was viewed as heroic for doing it. And it wasn't a problem. [/QUOTE]
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