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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pming" data-source="post: 7743405" data-attributes="member: 45197">Hiya!Saelorn, bro, you? Me? ...same wave-length, dude..., same wave-length. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />As with Saelorn, you, me, same wave-length. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I think the OP is either missing, or not quite understanding that different Genre's have a different contextual meaning of "Heroic". Reality is the same way (to me, heroics means putting others ahead of your own well-being, without regard (or with complete acceptance) for the consequences to yourself). Giving to charity is not "heroic". It's nice. Helping the homeless...also not heroic. Just a nice thing to do. Pushing a homeless guy out of the way of a bus, knowing that you are going to be hit by it and very likely die...THAT is Heroic. Go do that if you want to be seen as a hero. But in the context of...Super Hero Genre: Killing is BAD!Horror Genre: Killing HUMANS is BAD...everything else is fair game if not encouraged.Sword & Sorcery: Killing is something that happens often enough that in "civilization" it is frowned upon. But on in the wilderness, with no guardsmen or law around...killing is often necessary.Survival Genre: Killing HUMANS is a toss up; some folks will help and share with you to survive...others will kill you and take your boots off you as you lie there choking on your own blood. It's a gamble.Post-Apocalyptic: Killing is a fact of life. When the very air and plant life is trying to kill you, you don't take chances. Shoot first and then run the other direction. Killing in "civilized" towns/settlements is very much frowned upon (group survival and all that).Sci-Fi: Depends on the "state of the universe", really. This is probably the MOST varied of all the genres, IMHO. You can have Star Trek, where killing is BAD. Or you can have Warhammer 30k where killing is GOOD. Most fall in between.As for D&D...which is classified now as "Heroic Fantasy", oddly enough... I would put in the "Killing the civilized races is BAD. Killing the non-civilized races is either/or. Killing the evil monster races is almost always a GOOD thing. As Mistwell mentioned, the evil races (orcs, goblins, troglodytes, trolls, gnolls, kobolds, etc) were created by Evil Gods and Goddesses so that they could carry out and spread the dictates of Evil across the world. I use this game often, but I'll use it again: <a href="http://www.powersandperils.org" target="_blank">Powers & Perils</a>. Back in '84(?) I go this for Christmas. In it, one thing that kinda struck me was that of Alignment. Yes, it has Alignments...but different than AD&D's. Anyway, the gods created races in their 'image'. Humans are the exception. Humans are not born with an Alignment; they have "free will/choice" and become Aligned with any of the Alignments. Everyone who isn't Human, is born with an Alignment. Period. If you are a Dwarf, Elf, or Faerry, you are of the Elder Alignment. Period. You will not find a "Lawful Dwarf", or a "Chaos Efl", or a "Khotothi Faerry". Well, not entirely true. A really bad, Abysmal Failure, with magic may magically change and tie a character to that spells Alignment. It's fantasy...there's always exceptions! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> This is something that I've always sort of "carried over" into my AD&D games; the non-humans and non-demihumans (re: monsters) are born "tied, spiritually, metaphysically" to the deity that created them. That's it. ALL goblins are Evil. ALL Swanmay are Good. Etc, etc, etc. But, as I said, it's fantasy, so there are always exceptions; but those exceptions come from 'outside'. An orc can never truly be anything other than Evil. "It's in their nature", so to speak.^_^Paul L. Ming</blockquote>

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