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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 7743604">Sure, but aren't there better ways to play out this trope?  Doesn't the trope become fuller, deeper, more engaging when the enemy is not "born evil" but when they have chosen to follow an evil god or do evil deeds because they are selfish, short-sighted, hateful or just otherwise jerks?  Art speaks volumes about the artist.  What you create says something about you.  What they create says something about them.  It does say something.  It may not say what I think it says or what you think it says, but it does say something.  All creations do.The fact that something is a thought experiment does not by its nature, make it equal to all other thought experiments.  This is a problem many people have in real life, that because they think something it is equal to any thoughts anyone else has.  I hate to suggest that there may indeed be forms of badwrongfun, but I raise some serious eyebrows and some of the ways people talk about games of "kill the orc".  I find it strange that people can "have fun" in games that are about little more than killing as many other humanoids (of the wrong color of course) as possible.  The fact that many fantasy races stem from stereotypes, exaggerations or mockeries of real people makes me raise eyebrows even further.  Whether these people realize it or not, they are "having fun" essentially killing real people who are wearing a funny rubber mask, a rubber mask, I might add, placed on that real person by someone with a decidedly poor or warped view of those real people.I think there's a matter of poor comparisons here.  Unique evil individuals are not entire evil races who presumably live, love, and make evil babies.  Freddy, for example in the original lore, started out as a human serial killer (of children no less!), before apparently ascending to demonhood.  (something D&D actually replicates with how demons work!)  Jason Voorhees, for example is a perfectly human human (except in some cases where he comes back from the dead).  Pennywise is an extra-dimensional fundamental element of chaos of death, he's not so much evil as an element of reality.  Pinhead is a being who found ascension through BDSM.  These two fall closer under Mistwell's "incomprehensible" definition rather than "evil".  I'm not a fan of horror movies, so that's about all that comes to mind.  I think you'll find that, upon closer analysis, most horror movies feature either "really evil humans", or "incomprehensible aliens".  Sometimes the former warped by the latter (Event Horizon, Heavy Metal, Time Bandits).</blockquote>

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