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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 7743655" data-attributes="member: 2525">Except I never said incomprehensible. I just said it was alien. As in vastly different. Not "incomprehensible". I mean you use the word twice and end it with an exclamation mark, as if that was my position? Not an legitimate approach shidaku. You want to exaggerate for effect, that's fine. but don't call a position garbage and then when you do finally reply you strawman it. If you have a response to what I wrote, let's hear it already.We can't comprehend things which are alien? Really, that's your position, that if something is alien this means by definition it cannot be comprehended? Where do you get that kind of standard? Here are the actual words I used again that you were calling "garbage" and I will let you tell me where I say or imply this is something we cannot "comprehend", "[you're] anthropomorphizing an alien creature. We don't live in a world where Gods walk on the planet and literally create new creatures from magic. Their genetics, along with much of their physics, literally doesn't work like ours does. We humans are not born with an alignment - but a fantasy setting can posit, as part of the setting assumptions, that some alien creatures are born with an alignment. Much like they're born with magic. "We can comprehend things like animals without anthropromorphizing them, right? You understood the example of a deity in D&D creating a creature from magic and their genetics works different from our world, right?  You understood what I meant when an alien creature is born with an alignment, right? I mean, if you don't understand that's fine I can offer further explanation. But you're claiming I said it's not comprehensible - I never once said or implied that. So again, how about you reply to my actual position, rather than this one you seem to have manufactured so that you could call it dumb and garbage?Wow. So I have a choice now. I can assume either you really honestly thought I was making an argument that we cannot comprehend fantasy land, despite my never saying anything like that, or you're intentionally inserting that false claim into my words. I am going to assume you're just mistaken. So, now that it's been clarified for you, please stop doing that. It's not an issue of comprehension. Everyone here is plenty familiar with the fantasy concepts to comprehend the concepts I am describing. If you're having trouble with it just as and I will give you lots more explanation and examples so you can comprehend it as well.If I had ever made that argument you might be right. As I never made that argument, it's only you making that self-described bad argument. Sure that's a fair approach for people of certain alignments. Another fair one would be to imprison them, or disable their ability to do harm, or seek magical or divine intervention to change them. Obviously my point was those alternative approaches don't work than evil action is imminent. But if it's not imminent and you have time? Then yeah, there are other actions you can try to pursue in that setting to try and stop them from committing evil acts in the future. Yes. I believe this is a built-in conceit of D&D's implied setting, that heroes of good must take an active role in stopping evil. I don't view that as a design flaw. Well given the baby is not going to imminently commit an evil act, you have time to see another resolution which may likely be divine or arcane in nature to deal with the inherent evil of that being. Those "alien" concepts of magic (which I know you comprehend) also exist in this setting. I am sure you'd understand that for example a zombie baby is inherently evil, right? That the explanation of a negative energy animus attached to the body which gives it merely a semblance of being a human creature but it is not actually human is a concept you grok, right? Not too alien to comprehend, but zombies are a concept of being an alien-type creature to us, right?The assumption it's a "terrible" dichotomy is what I question. That this is a problem.  That rational, good people cannot enjoy and even prefer that method.</blockquote>

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