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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 6931221" data-attributes="member: 58197"><p>Nah, you killed them because they were in your way and nobody had ever mentioned their names. You didn't celebrate it, you didn't struggle with the morality of it, you just whacked them and moved on. Only when you came up against somebody with a name did you start going "Oh, no, can I really kill them? Isn't that baaaaad?"</p><p></p><p>The Luke who threw away his lightsaber rather than kill Vader is the same Luke whose arms were red to the elbows with the blood of stormtroopers and Jabba's goons.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Let's see. Going through those movies and picking the ones I remember well enough to assess:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Labyrinth.</strong> Hard to say. There's a big fight scene at the end, but I don't recall anyone being definitively killed in it. I'll concede this one, for the sake of argument.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>The Princess Bride.</strong> But not this one. At. All. The hero of the piece is a pirate who "never leaves captives alive," and rather casually admits that "I kill a lot of people." Inigo and Fezzik also talk quite casually about killing. As far as onscreen deaths go, Inigo butchers five men in about ten seconds when facing Count Rugen, and nobody bats an eye. The only times anyone shows mercy are a) hero to hero and b) hero to BBEG.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Dragonslayer.</strong> Not a huge amount of human-on-human killing here. The issue doesn't come up much, but there are also no examples of humans showing mercy that I can recall. In the one human-on-human battle, it ends in death, and ain't nobody agonizing over it. Vermithrax gets a sob story, but no one ever suggests that killing it is a questionable solution. And on the question "Is it okay to kill baby monsters?" this movie answers with a resounding "Yes."</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Willow.</strong> Really? You're going to cite freakin' Willow as an example of heroes worrying about the morality of killing their foes? *cough*Madmartigan*cough* *cough*Sorsha*cough* *cough*basically anyone capable of fighting*cough*</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Conan the Barbarian.</strong> I'm not even gonna touch this one. I don't want to get gore all over me.</li> </ul><p>Now, maybe my memory is selective, and the other movies have heroes who really are careful about not killing <em>anybody</em>, as opposed to not killing people with names. Somehow I doubt it, though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 6931221, member: 58197"] Nah, you killed them because they were in your way and nobody had ever mentioned their names. You didn't celebrate it, you didn't struggle with the morality of it, you just whacked them and moved on. Only when you came up against somebody with a name did you start going "Oh, no, can I really kill them? Isn't that baaaaad?" The Luke who threw away his lightsaber rather than kill Vader is the same Luke whose arms were red to the elbows with the blood of stormtroopers and Jabba's goons. Let's see. Going through those movies and picking the ones I remember well enough to assess: [LIST] [*][B]Labyrinth.[/B] Hard to say. There's a big fight scene at the end, but I don't recall anyone being definitively killed in it. I'll concede this one, for the sake of argument. [*][B]The Princess Bride.[/B] But not this one. At. All. The hero of the piece is a pirate who "never leaves captives alive," and rather casually admits that "I kill a lot of people." Inigo and Fezzik also talk quite casually about killing. As far as onscreen deaths go, Inigo butchers five men in about ten seconds when facing Count Rugen, and nobody bats an eye. The only times anyone shows mercy are a) hero to hero and b) hero to BBEG. [*][B]Dragonslayer.[/B] Not a huge amount of human-on-human killing here. The issue doesn't come up much, but there are also no examples of humans showing mercy that I can recall. In the one human-on-human battle, it ends in death, and ain't nobody agonizing over it. Vermithrax gets a sob story, but no one ever suggests that killing it is a questionable solution. And on the question "Is it okay to kill baby monsters?" this movie answers with a resounding "Yes." [*][B]Willow.[/B] Really? You're going to cite freakin' Willow as an example of heroes worrying about the morality of killing their foes? *cough*Madmartigan*cough* *cough*Sorsha*cough* *cough*basically anyone capable of fighting*cough* [*][B]Conan the Barbarian.[/B] I'm not even gonna touch this one. I don't want to get gore all over me. [/LIST] Now, maybe my memory is selective, and the other movies have heroes who really are careful about not killing [I]anybody[/I], as opposed to not killing people with names. Somehow I doubt it, though. [/QUOTE]
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