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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Christian" data-source="post: 183653" data-attributes="member: 381">No. It takes him to his starting hit points minus 14, and quite well, thank you.Remember, regular and subdual damage are tallied separately. You fall unconscious when your subdual damage tally exceeds your current hit points. So a troll (who only takes regular damage from fire and acid) with 50 hit points who takes 90 hit points of weapon damage in a round (WHACK!) still has 50 hit points. The 90 hit points of subdual damage regenerates constantly, and when that number gets lower than its current hit point total, it regains consciousness. To take the troll to -10 hit points, you have to do 60 hit points (or whatever)  of fire/acid damage-the weapon beat-down is irrelevant to this.Now, one ought to be able to CDG the troll while it's unconscious from the subdual beat-down, but it is difficult to find a suitable weapon. I don't see any problem with treating a flask of oil or alchemist's fire as a melee weapon for this purpose. You're not throwing it at the troll in this case, after all ...</blockquote>