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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jasper" data-source="post: 815047" data-attributes="member: 277">Hmm the characters should know the monsters they face after all they grew up in the world of icky nasties.Ok how about all dragons are giant lizards with wings and breath weapon. DC 10. The colored dragons are evil DC 15. EtcBut this puts a some monsters who are not dragons as dragons. So be.Since some are saying we know how to stake vamps due to buffy etc. How about thisFootball is game played with eleven members on each side. The ball is brown and a sphereoid. The players can pitch the ball or pick up the ball and run it to the opposite sides goal line.No football is game played with a black and white round ball. You can not handle the ball and must kick thru a net. Since everyone grew up in the same world WHAT is the game of football?Wait a minute in the Kingdom of U.S.A Football is the first game. In the kingdom of England it is the other. In one kingdom crickets are bugs and in the other it is game.When is megagaming the monsters?Hmm.Ex 1. Megagamer 1 opens the door and see a huge anteater type creature. He with his +3 shield, +2 sword, +3 plate runs to the back of the party. (Strange the tank’s SOP is to kill everything in the room) Megagamer 2 (the wizard) waits until the Disenchanter destroys the second fighter’s +1 shield before running away. Hold a moment. Some say their character would have read" EGG’s Monsters Are Among Us and How to Cook Them and What Parts are for Potions". It is possible BUT. It was the first time in my campaign I ever used the creature! And the characters had started at first level.Ex. 2 Megagamer 1 kicks open the door and sees a rust monster of a strange color. Megagamer 1 runs away. Megagamer 2 strikes it with his Staff of Striking. BOTH cry foul when the rust monster destroys the staff. After all it is not fair for a DM to change a dischanter to look at a rust monster because that is what the monster manual says.Just because some gamers have no life and can tell what pages, what edition, what stats, of monster does not mean Bucky The Wonder Paladin from the Sahara Desert knows white dragons breath cold and are the weakest of dragonkind. And I have discover the players who bitch and moan the worst when I tell them they can’t look up the monster manual even if their own copy are some of the worse CHEATERS at the table.Gothmog the idea that a player should own read and memorize all the rules books is not new. I tripped across this in my first gaming group. That was before Reagan was elected. I too disallow people from reading books at the table their character don’t need. In old game groups I was occasionally blown off. Gee Gary kept on wondering how come most monsters did almost max damage to his characters. Could and would be me the DM giving him a penalty. …IME, players who do use meta knowledge routinely are usually very insecure people who MUST show that they have some degree of power in all situations, and cannot stand it when they fail…  bravo Vivat Vivat Vivat megagaming ex. Group has a SOP. I tell the thieves when they need to roll to speed search and disable traps. Last game thief roll badly. Then player knowing a trap was about to toast him tried to open the chest with a dagger. I told him no. He replied he just wanted to do it. Three other players jumped him and said there was no way for the thief to know a trap was there. Just because one the dm told you to roll and two you know you failed means your thief discovered no traps so why is it? You are being extra careful this time. Open the beep chest, if you die we will raise you. The player pouted and opened the chest.Petrosian.. that rakshasas need blessed bolts… I never hear of rakshasas until I started playing D&D and still have trouble swallowing the idea that a wizard who has spend all his life in England and on his first and only trip to India knows the exact spell to kill the monster the first day he off the boat.Bran Blackbyrd yes knowing that Tony the Tiger is evil and Cheesy the Cleric goes from casting bless on the group to bless on the shotgun is megagaming. I do believe.yes some DM love to stack the bodies higher and deeper and some players wish they could go through the Temple of Elemental Evil with out a losing 1 hit pt. The true game lies in between.</blockquote>

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