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<blockquote data-quote="Mark" data-source="post: 495356" data-attributes="member: 5"><p>I don't seem to recall Conan ever punching a camel into unconciousness in the books that I read growing up, though it's been a while (early seventies). My impression was that scene was added as pure cheese (and stolen from <em>Blazing Saddles</em>). The clever dialogue (and I mean any of it, anywhere in any of the Conan films, isn't in the original stories) that I remember either. Any time that someone got "clunked" on the head and made one of those goofy faces as they slid down a wall, wasn't in any of the stories. I think people seem to be more forgetful of the cheese that appears quite frequently in the Conan movies. As much as I do not mind that, with the people who made the previous movies in charge we would have had more of the same. I think the only way to be sure that cheese is avoided would be to have someone new in charge who wanted to stick closer to the original stories (and I do not mean the various works of authors who have co-opted the Conan character beyond Howard's stories.) Perhaps your memory is better than mine, I was only 20 years old in 1982 when <em>Conan the Barbarian</em> was released.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Optimist? Yup. Naive? I doubt it. Too much whining on the internet as it is and your assumption and accusation that I might be naive is typical of the kind of non-productive comments that make the Internet so cluttered and discourteous. Stating your opinion doesn't require that you take a shot at someone, unless you feel your opinions cannot hold up on their own. If you walk away from this discussion with nothing else, take that along for future reference. Learn to be courteous and you'll go further and be taken more seriously. There a lot of people who read these threads that never post and they also form their impressions of you based on your approach with others. Besides, I like to be different. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> As to the amount of wisdom in Hollywood... </p><p></p><p>Hollywood is made up of a lot of people. Lumping them all together in one group might be convenient for sweeping generalizations that some people like to make, but in the long run it's simply rhetoric. The kind thrown into conversations where it is much easier to intellectualize than to speak in specifics and add concrete ideas of lasting value. If any of the many people who might be attached to future Conan films wanted to find some ideas on how to do Conan movies, they couldn't check the Net (for the most part) since the budget for time and money to weed through all the complaints would doom the film from the start. Most of what I read online is how NOT to do something and what people do NOT like. It would be interesting to see some people break out their Howard stories and suggest some scenarios of how to build the film franchise into something worth seeing, but I highly doubt we'll see that here. It's much easier to complain about what you don't like than to bend your mind toward thinking of good ideas that can be beneficial. It also comes with a risk of others not liking the same things that you do. It can be frightening, but you should give it a try. Please, check my other posts for my suggestions, though in the main I think starting from scratch is a good plan.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yup. I remember how they allowed an animator get the rights to a major epic tale and then pulled the plug on his budget because it wasn't testing well. Then they handed the property to the "finale" over to the same animation studio that had trivialized the story that had preceded the epic. What we got was a weak <em>The Hobbit</em> special, and half-hearted <em>The Lord of the Rings</em> and something thrown together called <em>The Return of the King</em>. The first and last by Rankin/Bass and the middle (attempt at a serious animated film, as opposed to television special) by Ralph Bakshi. I think it's taken about twenty years (plus) to recover from that mess. <em>The Lord of the Rings</em> (animated Film) was well into production when Rankin/Bass got ahold of the rights to do <em>The Hobbit</em> and both were released in 1978. <em>The Return of the King</em> was released in in 1982. <em>The Hobbit</em> and <em>The Return of the King</em> were made for television, just to be clear.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You use far too broad a brush to paint a very sorry picture...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mark, post: 495356, member: 5"] I don't seem to recall Conan ever punching a camel into unconciousness in the books that I read growing up, though it's been a while (early seventies). My impression was that scene was added as pure cheese (and stolen from [i]Blazing Saddles[/i]). The clever dialogue (and I mean any of it, anywhere in any of the Conan films, isn't in the original stories) that I remember either. Any time that someone got "clunked" on the head and made one of those goofy faces as they slid down a wall, wasn't in any of the stories. I think people seem to be more forgetful of the cheese that appears quite frequently in the Conan movies. As much as I do not mind that, with the people who made the previous movies in charge we would have had more of the same. I think the only way to be sure that cheese is avoided would be to have someone new in charge who wanted to stick closer to the original stories (and I do not mean the various works of authors who have co-opted the Conan character beyond Howard's stories.) Perhaps your memory is better than mine, I was only 20 years old in 1982 when [i]Conan the Barbarian[/i] was released. Optimist? Yup. Naive? I doubt it. Too much whining on the internet as it is and your assumption and accusation that I might be naive is typical of the kind of non-productive comments that make the Internet so cluttered and discourteous. Stating your opinion doesn't require that you take a shot at someone, unless you feel your opinions cannot hold up on their own. If you walk away from this discussion with nothing else, take that along for future reference. Learn to be courteous and you'll go further and be taken more seriously. There a lot of people who read these threads that never post and they also form their impressions of you based on your approach with others. Besides, I like to be different. ;) As to the amount of wisdom in Hollywood... Hollywood is made up of a lot of people. Lumping them all together in one group might be convenient for sweeping generalizations that some people like to make, but in the long run it's simply rhetoric. The kind thrown into conversations where it is much easier to intellectualize than to speak in specifics and add concrete ideas of lasting value. If any of the many people who might be attached to future Conan films wanted to find some ideas on how to do Conan movies, they couldn't check the Net (for the most part) since the budget for time and money to weed through all the complaints would doom the film from the start. Most of what I read online is how NOT to do something and what people do NOT like. It would be interesting to see some people break out their Howard stories and suggest some scenarios of how to build the film franchise into something worth seeing, but I highly doubt we'll see that here. It's much easier to complain about what you don't like than to bend your mind toward thinking of good ideas that can be beneficial. It also comes with a risk of others not liking the same things that you do. It can be frightening, but you should give it a try. Please, check my other posts for my suggestions, though in the main I think starting from scratch is a good plan. Yup. I remember how they allowed an animator get the rights to a major epic tale and then pulled the plug on his budget because it wasn't testing well. Then they handed the property to the "finale" over to the same animation studio that had trivialized the story that had preceded the epic. What we got was a weak [i]The Hobbit[/i] special, and half-hearted [i]The Lord of the Rings[/i] and something thrown together called [i]The Return of the King[/i]. The first and last by Rankin/Bass and the middle (attempt at a serious animated film, as opposed to television special) by Ralph Bakshi. I think it's taken about twenty years (plus) to recover from that mess. [i]The Lord of the Rings[/i] (animated Film) was well into production when Rankin/Bass got ahold of the rights to do [i]The Hobbit[/i] and both were released in 1978. [i]The Return of the King[/i] was released in in 1982. [i]The Hobbit[/i] and [i]The Return of the King[/i] were made for television, just to be clear. You use far too broad a brush to paint a very sorry picture... [/QUOTE]
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