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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chain Lightning" data-source="post: 495560" data-attributes="member: 6791">Mark wrote: I don't consider any of those humorous moments you've highlighted (from the first Conan movie) as cheese....or aspects that made the movie cheezy. They were small LITTLE moments of humor. Which IMHO, when mixed into even a serious movie in small doses, doesn't turn the movie into cheese.To me, cheese is when a movie's 'cheese' level exceeds...oh I don't know.....about 50%. Like "Xena".While I agree, the first Conan movie (which everyone celebrates as being so awesome) isn't 100% true to the books. Okay, I'm not an expert. I've only read two of the Conan books (from Howard) and listend to the book on tapes version of "The Further Chronicles of Conan" (by Jordan). But I see where you're coming from Mark. Actually, I don't think the first Conan movie is as perfect as everyone seems to make it out to be. Heh heh, blasphemy I know. But its just my opinion. I still love it though.Mark wrote:  Mark I think (and let me remind you that this is only speculation), that perhaps your previous experience made you feel that this thread was gonna bring down a quick and immediate hail of the kind of (as you said) 'non-productive comments that make the Internet so cluttered and discourteous'.  If you were thinking this and expecting it, perhaps also.....your mood going into this thread has already been set to receive a lot of negativity. Basically, what I'm saying is.....could it be because you were ready to expect a lot of mindless negativity you were already in a fighting mood? And, in being in a fighting mood....I think (again, only speculation) you thought I was taking a shot at you? If I had miscommunicated my intentions, then I will step forward and apologize. It was not my intent. I think what we have here is a bit of misinterpretation of my sense of humor. I wrote: Please re-read this. As you can see I put a big smiley face at the end of that jibe. Which I thought to be the universal indication that I was only joking and just teasing on that second part that suggested you being naive. I thought it obvious, that its more likely I believe you to be an optimist. Which is not an insult. Then I followed my sentance with , "But let's hope you're right". I thought this would indicate that I have at least one foot standing on your side. Mark wrote: I don't think I ever lumped them altogether. Again, I think there's a misunderstanding here. I never said "ALL of Hollywood lacks wisdom". To do so would also insult some of the very creative minds that I admire who are also considered a part of Hollywood. Plus I have many friends that work in the entertainment industry as well. They are bright and imaginitive creators who've I've also seen make wise creative decisions. I too would not like to insult these people. When I said, " .....naive as to the amount of wisdom that exists in Hollywood, " that was just a part of the joke. Meant for a laugh because most here do consider a large portion of Hollywood to lack wisdom when it comes to translating beloved properties to the screen. I wanted those guys to smirk at that comment. A sentiment I also share and has plenty of evidence. Again though....let me emphasize that I do not consider ALL of Hollywood to be like this. I just said a large portion.My response to jdavis' question was: "Because most of those in Hollywood with the power over your beloved property lack common sense. In other words.....they're stupid."Your response to that was: Not sure why you said this. Did you want me to give examples of where Hollywood has taken  beloved properties from comic books/novels/video games and did poor jobs? Thus not being broad and being specific? By the way, I said 'most of those'. Emphasis on 'most'. I did not mean all. When you said I used too broad a brush to paint a sorry picture, are you saying that you'd rather I spoke more detailed in painting a 'sorry picture'? And is the 'sorry picture' the history of Hollywood translations of books (and other things) to screen or is my own opinion a sorry picture?If you meant that by me saying, "Because most of those in Hollywood with the power over your beloved property lack common sense. In other words.....they're stupid," was too broad a statement on Hollywood's history of screen translation/adaptations...... then I agree. It is a broad statement. Most times I don't have time to elaborate in great detail. I felt that statement didn't need it.   Plus, that was my point. jdavis had a long question and my intention was to answer it in a short and simple way. Do you believe my sentance is false?Anyways, Mark.....I think that maybe you may have read my post too fast. Or something.  I wasn't trying to mindlessly bash Hollywood. And I definitely wasn't trying to take a shot at you.Mark wrote: I obviously can't and should not speak for any other posters, but I have my own reasons as to why I don't always post my improvement ideas up. You're saying that a lot of Hollywood production people do indeed surf the net and cruise message boards.  And why not make some good suggestions as to how to make Conan a good movie rather than just bash?  That way they can read it?Well, its not from a fear of others not liking my idea. For me, its more to do with my preference as to how much I spend my creative energy and on what. I really don't like coming up with a cool idea (assuming my ideas are cool, they could very well suck <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ) and posting it on the internet for some producer to come by and take it for himself. Not that I only give away ideas for self profit but I just don't like giving away ideas to strangers. I'll give ideas away for free to friends anytime. Heck, they dont' even have to credit me. I'm just glad I was able to help them brainstorm on something.  Plus I spend most of my creative 'juices' on my own stories and game sessions that I don't have any left over that I want to contribute here.Mark wrote: I totally agree. Sometimes there's nothing wrong with bringing in a fresh new team. The part I don't like is not the decision to start with a different team. Its the part that makes them sound like they want to create something that is very much NOT in the spirit of what Conan stories are. And I am the opposite of you. I have very little optimism where you have more. That doesn't mean I think you're my enemy.</blockquote>

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