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<blockquote data-quote="Chacal" data-source="post: 324980" data-attributes="member: 1349">Sorry, I got confused by the non-standard BAB progression. I should have look more carefully, but your post was so negative that I had an urge to answer it&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp;By the way I prefer easy formulas for BAB and saves, what's the formula for its Fortsaves ? ? (strange at levels 13-16))back to the subtopic:From the rogue point of view it exchanges 4 skill points , UMD, some class skills (listen, tumble...), abit of the Sneak attack to get a D8, near the fighter BAB, and exchange high-level rogue special abilities for bonus feats. (also, evasion wouldn't work very often with a quasi Low+1 Ref save )From the fighter p.o.v it's a loss in HD, armor, some weapons,&nbsp; and more specific -feat like ability, to get sneak attack and +2 skill points. Starting at level 11, I'd&nbsp; say that the brigand has too much abilities and feats.&nbsp; (As a house rule, I'd remove the 14th level feat)(But I also think the fighter should have had some non -feat special abilities after 10th level) Chacal</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chacal, post: 324980, member: 1349"] Sorry, I got confused by the non-standard BAB progression. I should have look more carefully, but your post was so negative that I had an urge to answer it :) By the way I prefer easy formulas for BAB and saves, what's the formula for its Fort saves ? ? (strange at levels 13-16)) back to the subtopic: From the rogue point of view it exchanges 4 skill points , UMD, some class skills (listen, tumble...), abit of the Sneak attack to get a D8, near the fighter BAB, and exchange high-level rogue special abilities for bonus feats. (also, evasion wouldn't work very often with a quasi Low+1 Ref save ) From the fighter p.o.v it's a loss in HD, armor, some weapons, and more specific -feat like ability, to get sneak attack and +2 skill points. Starting at level 11, I'd say that the brigand has too much abilities and feats. (As a house rule, I'd remove the 14th level feat) (But I also think the fighter should have had some non -feat special abilities after 10th level) Chacal [/QUOTE]

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