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<blockquote data-quote="Kichwas" data-source="post: 10354" data-attributes="member: 891"><p><strong>[PLAIN][OT] Morality in WWII.[/PLAIN]</strong></p><p></p><p>Completley off topic:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually I don't think you would get that answer from even a Japanese soilder asked during the early days of the war when they were all gun-ho.</p><p></p><p>They were all about Imperialism. They spent the previous hundred years watching another race of people carve up Asia and plunder it. They decided that only they should be allowed to do that. They wanted to be an Imperial power like the British. They saw the AMericans as the greatest potential threat to this. So they struck us in a way that they thought would cripple our navy and cause us to quickly sue for peace and grant them dominance over much of our sealanes and territories in the pacific.</p><p></p><p>It had nothing to do with morality.</p><p></p><p>We on the other hand saw the war in Europe as none of our business. We didn't really care who won. We were happily selling goods to both sides. We even designed and sold many of the machines used to identify and capture Jews. IBM in fact invented a machine to quickly search records and sort out those deemed to be Jewish. There were IBM execs training people in Germany on how to use it...</p><p></p><p>We had no noble goals either. We only joined because we got attacked. That provided the excuse for us to pick a side in Europe as well. Up to that point Congress had been adamant in refusing the presidents calls to aid our 'Allies'. Likely because there was simply too much money to be made in not aiding them. And besides; why should Americans die to save a few foreigners from their own mess? (A view the US has always had when looking at any conflict in the world not set inside our own borders).</p><p></p><p>Morality didn't enter WWII until near the very end when the soilders of the Allies uncovered the camps in Europe and spread the news before they government could cover it up like they did with the camps in Asia and Japan (which were similar in scope and scale to the more well known ones in Europe; though the ones in Asia did more 'medical' experiements...).</p><p></p><p>Much like the Civil War. We didn't call it a war to end slavery until nearly after we'd ended slavery in what was at the time merely a ploy to win more support and try to gain defections (emancipation was only granted to states that didn't quite the rebel side. Of course... none of them quite the rebel side... but emancipation was not granted in the north until the 14th amendment AFTER the war).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kichwas, post: 10354, member: 891"] [b][PLAIN][OT] Morality in WWII.[/PLAIN][/b] Completley off topic: Actually I don't think you would get that answer from even a Japanese soilder asked during the early days of the war when they were all gun-ho. They were all about Imperialism. They spent the previous hundred years watching another race of people carve up Asia and plunder it. They decided that only they should be allowed to do that. They wanted to be an Imperial power like the British. They saw the AMericans as the greatest potential threat to this. So they struck us in a way that they thought would cripple our navy and cause us to quickly sue for peace and grant them dominance over much of our sealanes and territories in the pacific. It had nothing to do with morality. We on the other hand saw the war in Europe as none of our business. We didn't really care who won. We were happily selling goods to both sides. We even designed and sold many of the machines used to identify and capture Jews. IBM in fact invented a machine to quickly search records and sort out those deemed to be Jewish. There were IBM execs training people in Germany on how to use it... We had no noble goals either. We only joined because we got attacked. That provided the excuse for us to pick a side in Europe as well. Up to that point Congress had been adamant in refusing the presidents calls to aid our 'Allies'. Likely because there was simply too much money to be made in not aiding them. And besides; why should Americans die to save a few foreigners from their own mess? (A view the US has always had when looking at any conflict in the world not set inside our own borders). Morality didn't enter WWII until near the very end when the soilders of the Allies uncovered the camps in Europe and spread the news before they government could cover it up like they did with the camps in Asia and Japan (which were similar in scope and scale to the more well known ones in Europe; though the ones in Asia did more 'medical' experiements...). Much like the Civil War. We didn't call it a war to end slavery until nearly after we'd ended slavery in what was at the time merely a ploy to win more support and try to gain defections (emancipation was only granted to states that didn't quite the rebel side. Of course... none of them quite the rebel side... but emancipation was not granted in the north until the 14th amendment AFTER the war). [/QUOTE]
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