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<blockquote data-quote="Shallown" data-source="post: 2347308" data-attributes="member: 1368">Yeah Ape he was counter tripped and was using his balance to oppose according to the new balance stuff in Complete adventurer. Souljourner,I don't thinks automatic and that is my biggest point. He could fail. I know he has a good chance that he won't ever be stopped but I can think of several ways he could be stopped though or at least forced to roll isnteadof taking 10. I admit he did slap a lot of points into tumble but since he still gets to use those points for a tone of other things and he at least has a chance of standing for free and not as a move which even if I rolled a 20 (We use the 1= -10 and 20 =30 rule for most d20 rolls) I couldn't do.CRGreathousewell he had only made one attack but had already moved like 10 feet which is part of his dervish dance. So he didn't have the choiceof only making one attack and then a move he had commited to a full round action just as if he had say charged. So here some other ways to look at it.So you let him kip up taking 10 and he has a 36 (Target is a dc 35). A cleric who tried to hit him with a bestow curse missed and still has it ready (I think that spell is treated as a charged spell like shocking grasp if not substute another spell with similiar affects) and hits him during his attack of opportunity and he now has a -6 to dex. and fails his Kip up? what happens the penalty for failing is it cost him a movement action which he doesn't have.This is what I want to avoid is a house rule to deal with this.But in the end Its not to big a deal since he is on my side and I want to keep his character alive as well.Later</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shallown, post: 2347308, member: 1368"] Yeah Ape he was counter tripped and was using his balance to oppose according to the new balance stuff in Complete adventurer. Souljourner, I don't thinks automatic and that is my biggest point. He could fail. I know he has a good chance that he won't ever be stopped but I can think of several ways he could be stopped though or at least forced to roll isnteadof taking 10. I admit he did slap a lot of points into tumble but since he still gets to use those points for a tone of other things and he at least has a chance of standing for free and not as a move which even if I rolled a 20 (We use the 1= -10 and 20 =30 rule for most d20 rolls) I couldn't do. CRGreathouse well he had only made one attack but had already moved like 10 feet which is part of his dervish dance. So he didn't have the choiceof only making one attack and then a move he had commited to a full round action just as if he had say charged. So here some other ways to look at it. So you let him kip up taking 10 and he has a 36 (Target is a dc 35). A cleric who tried to hit him with a bestow curse missed and still has it ready (I think that spell is treated as a charged spell like shocking grasp if not substute another spell with similiar affects) and hits him during his attack of opportunity and he now has a -6 to dex. and fails his Kip up? what happens the penalty for failing is it cost him a movement action which he doesn't have. This is what I want to avoid is a house rule to deal with this. But in the end Its not to big a deal since he is on my side and I want to keep his character alive as well. Later [/QUOTE]

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